Bill from NYC

Sorry if this is getting too much into semantics, but we both know better than the bolded. Maybe we should clarify what a "good selection" is. To me, it means more than the player being "good." Football teams are constructed primarily upon draft choices. GMs need to select players who will win football games for their team. If the team is losing, what difference does it make if for example Gilmore is "good?" One of the numerous QBs that the Bills passed on was also good, AND would have been better for the franchise, AND won us football games!!! This idiocy as we know is not limited to the QB position. Last season, this team in essence played with no quality linebackers. NE drafted Hightower at #25. In theory, we could have traded down, drafted a "good" player (Hightower), and acquired additional selections, or at least 1. Instead, Nix followed the Bills never ending trend of scooping up DBs and RBs with his best resources. And of course, the losing continued.

He showed some promise and as you said, he was a rookie. But his season was far from stellar. He had 1 interception in 16 games, was often penalized, and gave up some big time passes. Do I expect to see improvement? Yes. Was this a great season for a #10 selection? No, not imo.

Good point. Now, given the impact of the rule changes, would this make a guard such as Levitre actually more valueable? I always thought that pass protection was his strong suit, although he is a better than average run blocker as well imo. Because he played LT in college, he seems to have great balance and footing, and be tough to beat on passing downs. I guess what I am asking is will the smaller, more agile guards be a better fit in this new game than the big bruisers (who are NOT named Chance Warmack ) ?

I couldn't agree more Pete and as you recall, you and I have been through some funny, albeit painful drafts on this board. I think that the Bills are going to go after either Alex Smith or Matt Moore. Of those two, probably Smith becuse he has a high completion percentage. Then, they will go for a QB in round 2. This is only a hunch and what I am feeling at this time. This brings us back to round 1. I am thinking that if Milliner is there, they will draft him at #8. I really hope he is taken in the top 7, and I am a huge Alabama fan. Milliner is better than Gilmore in coverage. He's a very good player, but I don't want the Bills to draft him. Taking DBs early has destoyed this football team.

I think that this was a great signing for the reasons that you mentioned. Frankly, I am surprised that the got him at this low price. Btw, do you think that they will be able to sign Levitre? I know that it could be done, but if my life depended on it I am thinking that he walks.

Best post of the thread. The thing is, it really is true. I remember actually being worried that someone would be crippled or killed when Jerman was on the field. He was knocked on his ass, trampled, and/or tossed around on virtually every play, and it barely took 2 seconds. Then there would be clear, straight lanes to the qb and running backs. Unbelieveable.

Matt, what I remember most wrt Dockery was his clean uniforms. I am the nut that watches the blockers more than anything else during games. If there was no replay, I would miss many tds. Dockery put ZERO effort into his job. He was on the field thinking about his paycheck. I got the feeling that he could have blocked someone if he wanted to, but he absolutely didn't care. His played with no aggression; it was as if he was out there defending himself.And his body seemed to never hit the ground. At the end of a game, his uniform looked as if he just put it on.

Donte Whitner is symbolic of every single thing that is wrong with this team. His selection, attitude and his level of play point to why this team is where it is, and this includes much of what you mentioned. Badol is expressing his opinion about his level of play, which btw clearly cost his team a superbowl. He thinks (and I agree) that Whitner is a mediocre at best safety. Why are you so invested in his opinion of one football player? Why not leave it alone and perhaps you will see his side on other issues? Or maybe not, but at least there is room for interesting, constructive dialogue.

Try watching "Love Happens" and then let me know if there was ever a worse movie.

A little over the top, no? The man stated an opinion.

I strongly agree. Saban is going to make an example out of them, and other players will notice. Then he will win without these criminals. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Great idea!!! Badol, how would you rate Moore as compared to Fitz in terms of talent, and who is a better fit for this team? Also, do you have any thoughts wrt the qb crop in 2013? I for one am not so high on Tyler Wilson. I tried to get excited about Glennon but it didn't work, and don't know enough about Smith or Nassib to make a pertinent comment. Klein is hard to rate. He can run, and even seems to be able to throw some, But his motion is very odd. It seems as if he pushes the ball, and this can't work in the pros. Can a motion be radically changed? How is the kid from Tennessee? PS: I truly hope that we keep Levitre. Imo he is a great guard in this league given the rule changes.

There were just so many horror show blockers, we could spend days talking about them. Pucillo was just about as bad as it gets at guard, and Jerman was the worst OT perhaps I have ever seen at the professional level. He was SO bad tht I once contacted Lori about him. In so many words, I asked her if I was seeing things, and she confirmed my suspicions. Again, I was actually concerned for his safety. Corey Loucheiy was an interesting player, in terms of being terrible. When he ran out on the field, he looked as he could play. It took me longer than usual to realize that he was flat out horrible. The man just couldn't play at all. Same wrt Fowler. He had the footing and his technique appeared to be sound. He too looked like a center, but he was brutally beaten on almost every down. You can't make this stuff up.

Nice catch. Spriggs was God awful, and he didn't even care when he gave up sacks. In fact, one time against Tampa he missed a block and RJ got crushed. He was on the turf actually bleeding, and Spriggs wouldn't help him up. There was never a player I had less respect for. The absolute worst blocker I ever saw on the Bills was left tackle Greg Jerman. He was bad to the point that he was a danger to have on the field. He was brutalized on every play, and the backs/qbs were on their own. He at least tried, but I actually remember being in fear for his safety.

As a long time poster, I have had my share of hits and misses on this board. Remember, I thought tht RJ was going to be great and lead this team to victory. I fully admit this. That said, my biggest meltdown was when they drafted Whitner. I would have been fine with a list of other players in that stocked draft. And, Marv said that there were numerous trade down offers. I stand by my prediction that he will be cut before next season. Imo, if the 49ers do win the superbowl, they will do so sans Whitner.

Yes he did, but he was too small (never believed his listed weight) and too weak (9 reps with 225 at the combines). I hope that Glenn does return to his early season form. It will mean a lot to this team.

Let's not forget his initial hold out, his domestic incident (he was innocent), or his incident with the police (they were mean to, and picking on him).

The next scenario is that he is cut, and says that he is open for a return to Buffalo. I wouldn't be surprised.

Please never stop posting.

I remember watching Watt on youtube before the draft and liked what I saw. But in no way did I expect him to become the best defensive player in the NFL, let alone in his second season. I found his comment about Mario Williams signing with the Bills to be a tad strange. He said (and I'm paraphrasing of course) that they would miss him in the locker room, but not so much on the field. There was no real reason to say something like this, and imo this too points to steroid use. Roid freaks do not tend to use great judgement. If they did, they would find hot, young women instead of old hags like Madonna (Canseco, A-Rod, and probably Sean Penn LOL). I haven't cared about baseball for many years, but do you remember a Yankee, Randy Velarde? He was a pinch runner, and a late inning defensive replacement. An all around utility player. Then, he came in jacked. I saw him hit a home run over the centerfield wall at Yankee Stadium. So yes, sometimes it really is obvious.

100% true! Btw, who do you think will have the final say on draft day?

OK, but he is at least average, and btw I think that Pears is an underrated player, though his health is an admitted concern. The Bills are weak at SO many spots, it might be hard and unwise for them to focus on RT, at least with an early pick.

True, but times have changed with the new CBA. Elite LTs were often selected in the top 5. Their cost was HUGE. Now, the Bills would at least appear to have that spot, as well as RT sewn up for a few years. Levitre is their best blocker. There is no reason not to keep him, especially when players such as Kelsay, Barnett, and many others can and will be cut.

I don't disagree. My comment was about the "bpa" philosophy. This team, imo, needs a qb and linebackers in order to win. And we could also use some wrs.

With ALL due respect, I can never wrap myself around this stance. For instance, Dee Miliner might be a better cover corner than Gilmore, albeit less physical. He is regarded in most circles to be the best corner in this draft. Do you think that he would win more games for this particular team than a solid qb or lb? I for one do not. I would rather have Rothlisberger (not the best qb in the NFL by any stretch) on the Bills than Revis (said to be the best cb in the NFL). My point is that bpa regardless of position would not allow the Bills enough room to look at it's roster, and decide which players will win football games for us. Jmo.