Bill from NYC

VAB, it is good to see you posting again. When we got Drew he was past his prime, and not mobile enough, even in those days. But he also played behind one of the worst offensive lines in the history of football. The Bills had this, poor coaching, and Travis Henry coughing up the football. But Bledsoe had a top 10 arm of all time. He needed a lot more help, but he could still play. And, it's quite coincidental that you mentioned Losman. I heard Ross Tucker on Sirius this morning say how upset he when the Bills replaced Bledsoe with Losman. Back in the day, you and I knew what a stupid move this was. In any event, so did Ross Tucker.

OK, that made me lol!!!

So you think that Bradham is a star player?

It's hard to tell where you are going with this post. This as you know is a Bills message board. Our team continuosly fails to make the playoffs. Are you suggesting that we stop speculating about the draft? A good draft is the hope that we cling to. And btw, there is no sense patting ourselves on the back about Spiller, or any other selection until we actually win football games. A case can be made that Gilmore is good. Hell, Donte Whitner made the probowl. If a team drafts "good" players and keeps on losing, there are other serious problems, to include draft philosophy and team building strategy. My respectful suggestion is to ignore threads about the draft if they offend and/or bore you.

The best receiver I saw yesterday was Julio Jones.

How can you be so sure John? Ralph, as a rule, hired long time cronies. He hired Marv when he was more than 80 years old to be the GM, Remember? This led to Jauron, and losing football games. Nix was more of the same. Brandon and Marrone are both from Syracuse, and serve on some sort of committee together. Who do you think hired Marrone? Whaley? Nix? Call me a skeptic, cynic, etc. You would be correct. But I cannot see good news for this football team. We needed a QB and a coach, and there were and are slim pickings at both slots. Giving up isn't an option, so once again we cling to hope that Marrone knows what he is doing, and that we don't, once agan, screw up the draft.

The truth is, Marrone was the questionable hiring. This is NOT to say it can't work, but it's a move that I cannot totally come to grips with, let alone endorse. Not yet, but this can rapidly change. Donnie Henderson will be fine. He is old school, and a very tough guy. I welcome him to the Bills, and float out the possibility that he cannot be any worse than what we had. The DC seems to have a pedigree as well. Mr. Henderson is the very least of our worries as Bills Fans imo. It's ultimately about Marrone, and of course, Brandon. Was Marrone a crony of his? Help me out.....what has Brandon done successfuly other than ban cigarette smoking in designated areas at RWS? Well, now he and Marrone have their chance. We obviously are in desperate need of a QB in order to win. Let's see how they go about this. We need LBs too, but they shouldn't be so hard to get. Call me crazy, but imo there is some talent on this team. And, we are not in a great division. Not at all. If Marrone, Brandon, and Whaley have a clue, it won't take long for us to see it. And yes, the opposite does apply. As Bills Fans, we are used to clinging to hope, and this is where we are once again. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hear ya, and I could probably talked into a move such as this. But going from 8 to 29 is obviously a HUGE drop. I don't think that I would do it without more compensation than a 1st in 2014, but this is jmo. And btw, I am not so sure how weak this draft is other than the qb position, or so they say. There seems to be a glut of blockers and defensive linemen. Some of them are VERY good. Jones, Warmack, and Fluker are flat out great. Seriously, have you seen these guys? And this is just from one (albeit great) school!!! In any event, your idea is one that I find interesting, if of course the Bills have a qb that they think will last until later on.

This is an impossible post to argue with.

You might want to spell out this scenario a little bit better. I think that trading back THAT far would be worth MUCH more than a 1st in 2014.

Tebow, while as strong as an ox, is a lot slower than the players that I mentioned. And he lacks accuracy. That said, if I ws a jests fan, I would rather enter a season with Tebow than Sanchez as my starting quarterback. Sanchez is as finished as JP Losman. One can see it in his eyes. And I think that there is a place in this league for Tebow as a backup QB.

I don't liken Newton to Kaepernick THAT much. Newton is a monster. CK is a tall guy, but his shoulders are a bit narrow. Cam would seem to have a better chance at being durable, but CK is no joke. And, all it does take is a knee to ruin either one. And btw other than Vick who looks beat up, the qbs who can run like this are young,. These kids will get better throwing the ball, or so it would appear. I am as old school as anyone on this board or close to it, but I think that a trend is starting to appear. Jmo.

LOL!!! I could have mentioned Elway as well, but hedidn't win until he played a more conventional game.

1) Fitz, as awful as he can look, is actually aided big time by his ability to run. Can you imagine how bad he would be if he was less athletic? 2) Refresh my memory, but I can't really recall a running QB having won the Superbowl, unless you want to count Bradshaw, which I do not. Now, it would appear to be a matter of time. 3) Kapernick was flat out sick last night. 181 YARDS!!! This my friends is not to be ignored. Teams are going to see this (along with Wilson and RG lll) and copy it. I feel strongly about this. Meaning, Brad Smith types will come into the NFL and not be switched to wideouts. 4) The LB position, which has faded in value, will become more important as more running QBs enter the league. Someone will have to shadow these guys. 5) Most fans and sportswriters say that Montana was the best QB ever, but I have heard many defensive players say that they would rather face Montana than Steve Young. Kapernick is bigger and faster than Young, but Young had moves that would fake guys out of their socks. 6) Maybe if Vick wasn't a criminal, he could have played in a Superbowl. I guess we will never know. 7) Btw, QBs that run often will not last as long, slide rule or not, or so I think.They take beatings. 8) The above is changing the way I am approaching QBs in this draft. Can anyone advise about how well the 2013 college crop of QBs can run? If so, thanks. 9) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, the Bills continued over-emphasis on running backs and defensive backs in early rounds, and the continued tradition of losing football games is a mere coincidence. Let's keep doing it and expect to win.

Never thought I would be saying this, but the Bills are strong at OT. Otoh, if they lose Levitre (likely imo), OG will not be as strong. That said, Chance Warmack is the best guard I have seen coming out of college since Steve Hutchinson. The man is an agile monster, who plays LG in a pro-style offense. I still hope that they find a qb who they deem worthy of the #8. If not, they could more than likely move back a few spots and grab Warmack, who has the potential to be truly great. What do I think they will do? Yep, Dee Milliner.

Thanks. And it's not surprising to see you being rude and disrespectful to someone who doesn't toe your line. If AKC ever graces this board again and comes back, perhaps you could drive him off again with your vicious tirades. After all, he didn't agree with your tambourine shaking love fests for players such as Losman, and thought that the Bills should get stronger at defensive tackle. Screw him, right?

GREAT post!!! Seriously. If they draft Nassib, they will have expanded a fan base that much more. And btw, THESE MIGHT BE CORRECT MOVES!!! I am not saying that hiring Marrone ws a bad decision. I don't know enough about him to do so, and time will certainly tell. But I think to dismiss the possibility that Brandon, who is not a football man, made this decision (or so it would seem) without profit in mind is short sighted.

It depends on who you mean by "they." My point is that it appears that Brandon, a non-football man, made the decision.

Nice job by Scott in terms of linking the responses of posters to their personalities. I would fit into the category that he described as, "cynical" lol! That said, maybe it will work. Marrone has got the job and deserves a chance.

Highly regarded as a businessman. http://www.buffalobi...c3-7d95b2e98331 Evidence would point to this being a Brandon decision. And it could work, but what does this tell us about who is calling the shots?

OK, but did you see my link early in this thread? There would seem to be a strong Brandon/Marrone connection.

How do the connections with Brandon sit with you? Obviously, he is a businessman, NOT a football man. I must cop to having an uneasy feeling about this.

Very good points. A good omen: He is from the Bronx, as was the best football man in the history of the Bills Org. A bad omen: He just got glowing reviews from Herm Edwards.

Sure there is. Russ and Marrone know each other. This would seem to be a Russ hire. I doubt if Nix and Whaley had much say at all.