Bill from NYC

Absolutely. And as bad as the defense was, they might have been just a little better with a quality blocker helping to sustain drives and keep them off the field.

Perfect summary. And btw, your earlier point wrt the hurry-up is not to be taken lightly. As head coach, if Marrone says, "slow it down" they would have to do so. Given this, I am not going to place all of the game on the OC. Marrone needs to take a more active roll if something isn't working.

No doubt Coach, but we are missing our 3 top corners and a scumbag safety, so I was not surprised at all.

1) I like Kiko more and more every time I see him play. This kid is a true football player. 2) Colin Brown was a disaster today, from what little I could see. I am wondering if those who were just so happy to let Levitre walk because he got a big contract are willing at all to re-think your stances. Just asking. 3) Lawson can play, ya know? He isn't a star, but the guy is involved in the game on every play. Players like Lawson can win you football games. 4) Spiller truly sucked today. 10 carries for 9 yards and 2 fumbles. If anyone who has called him one of the most dynamic players in football and a great draft selection by the Buffalo Bills wants to chime in, please do so. This deserves discussion, so go for it if you will. 5) Last week, I complained about the camera work. This week it was worse. They didn't show the QUARTERBACK on many plays. Maybe this is a method to force fanatics to purchase more from their providers. I really don't know, but it's a disgrace. 6) Going where the wind don't blow so strange. Maybe on some high cold mountain range. Lost one round but the price wasn't anything, Knife in a back, and more of the same..... Same old rat in a drain ditch Out on a limb, You know better but I know him. 7) Manuel truly did display growing pains today. I am not at all down on him, but he played a lousy game. And btw, I think that his knee is still limiting what he can do, especially in terms of running the football. 8) Stevie Johnson looked as if he played through injuries today, and came away with decent numbers. But his stupid, narcissistic penalties are leaving me with very little tolerance. VERY little. Seriously. 9) Fred Jackson is a football player. Make no mistake, his skills are rapidly diminishing, but he plays football in every phase and I am glad to have him on this football team. 10) Let me put this in question form.....was it any different when Dareus left the field? The answer is obvious and sad imo. 11) Moats played a nice game today, and seems to (hopefully) be developing into a good linebacker. 12) The Jets were penalized 20 times. 20 TIMES, and we lost the football game. Should we at least glance at the head coach in terms of how something like this can happen? 13) Woods should get more chances and Graham should get far fewer. Graham is simply a lousy player. Woods can play. 14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks for the correction. Other sites that I saw didn't mention the 13 mil. Having said this, the Bills could have tried to do an imaginative deal in which he wouldn't hurt them in terms of the cap if he was cut later on. I notice that his bonus was spread over 5 years, not 6. Again, they are sitting here with a lot of cap room going to waste. And it isn't possible that there will be an equal player to Andy Levitre lining up at LG. Just totally impossible, and that's a shame when your qb is a rookie and your deep threat is a small rb. And the best way to stop the pass continues to be pass pressure.

Correct, and Levitre only got 10 million guaranteed. The Bills could have guaranteed his first year, and every year after that would have been their option. TB did a deal like this with Revis. The thing is, the Bills have a ton of cap room sitting there. It would have made perfect sense to pay a very good guard such as Levitre.

Ya know, I liked the trade for the Browns until I read this about Jauron. I am a huge fan of the Crimson Tide, and I know how good Richardson is but he gets hurt, and running backs matter less and less as we speak. If Jauron has any say, he will make sure to squander this pick on a defensive back. Jauron and Levy wiped out the Buffalo Bills franchise starting with the 2006 daft, and they never looked back until they were both thankfully gone. I am more for discussion and sharing ideas than I am for consensus in terms of this great board. That said, if there ever was a consensus here, it would be that the Bills 2013 draft looks good. In case people haven't noticed, it is good because they ran away from the idiotic, loser philosophy of Levy and Jauron. And yes, I do feel the pain of Browns Fans.

Searcy is not extremely talented but he makes plays, including special teams. As I have said many times, the man gives it all he's got on every play. He would have a roster spot on my team any day, and at some point I expect him to be a coach.

Mine was the one in which Dareus finished it off. Dareus is a very hard hitter when he gets in. Last week he shoved Brady down with one hand and that HAD to hurt. Players like Mario and Bruce are athletic. They make and force plays that other humans are not capable of doing. Theirs is a huge separation from other players. There is also a need for crushers. Other Bills players who hit like a truck were Bryce Paup and believe it or not Phil Hansen. Great athletic DEs such as Mario and Bruce open the window for lesser players to contribute in a big way. And btw, it was great to see you come around and say that pass rush blows away the secondary in terms of importance.

He is a center e-man.

Phil, I am hoping for Pettine to be an NFL version of the University of Alabama Crimson Tide's Kirby Smart. Saban took him everywhere he went, and he is young and literally brilliant. My fear is that soon, Pettine will get offers to be a head coach, but hopefully I am looking too far ahead. Either way, you were right on the money about Pettine.

Badol, I agree, but I didn't want to harp on it. But, thought #9 was driven by this. Imo, there are just so few "PURE PASSERS" in the league today. I count 4.....Luck, Brady, Brees and Manning. Am I missing anyone? Even Rogers relies to an extent on mobility imo. Russell Wilson is small, and RG111 and Kapernick are just gifted. I know RG is hurt, but he isn't killing anybody with his passing skills at this point. Is Kapernick? John C is one of my favorite posters, but he was outraged at my assertion. I think that EJ can be as good as almost anybody, but he will need the threat of the run to get to the very high level. EJ is huge. He stands tall in the pocket, and he REALLY can run. This threat will soften defenses. I don't see how it could not. Imo, the threat of a run can ONLY help his downfield game but again, what do I know lol?

Actually, I was just about to include you in a post about him. You were just so correct about how good this guy is.

McKelvin did play well yesterday. In fact, late in the first quarter he defended a pretty deep pass at the last second, and this was a simply great play. But I must say, he still scares me.

As I said, his potential is beyond limit. I think that he can actually be GREAT. I will go as far as to say that I would rather have EJ on my football team than Cam Newton. I am just saying that I want to see him run more.

1) Kyle Williams impressed the hell out of me. Coming into this game, I viewed him as a player who was all but finished. Want to talk about effort? The man gave everything he had in this football game. 2) Speaking of "Williams," Aaron Williams played very well imo in spite of that one incredibly stupid out of bounds hit. 3) There are just so many posters on this great site who do more work on the draft than I do. That said, Robert Woods was my favorite wide receiver in this draft. This kid is going to be great. He loves playing football and is SMART. I am thrilled by his performance today. Aside from his 68 yards receiving, he made no mistakes on special teams. We are going to have fun watching this kid. 4) Mario Williams earned his money today. He played at a superstar level, and is my favorite NFL player due to what he does off of the football field. He donates huge dollars to the Houston Police Department. That's enough for me. 5) I must say, I am furious about the play calling at the end of the second quarter. They RAN the football in a hurry up, and gave the Panthers the football with 2:07 left. This was idiotic. There is NO FREAKING WAY they should have afforded them an extra time out (the deuce). This cost us points, and almost the game. So who do we blame? The OC or Marrone? Either way, this was totally unacceptable. 6)Wake up to find out that you are the eyes of the world. The heart has its beaches, its homeland and thoughts of its own. Wake now discover that YOU are the song, that the morning brings. The heart has its seasons, its evenings and songs, of its own 7) OK, I was seriously pissed off when the Bills attempted a 55 yard field goal. Especially after the miss from 42. What do I know lol? And not for nothing, the last one he made was insane. Watching it, I thought it was 8 or 10 yards short. 8) Hey, I never complain about announcers, nor much else about telecasts. But today, I think that the camera man was on drugs. He was missing key shots. Am I the only one who noticed this? 9) EJ? His numbers were very good, and his potential is beyond limit. That said, count me as one who believes that he will need to run it himself to achieve his full potential, which imo is good enough to win a superbowl. 10) The OL played well today. Imo, the player who did the best work on this unit was Urbik. He looks to be in great physical shape, and he kicked some ass in this football game. Again, the camera work was bad; I welcome opinions on this comment. 11) Spiller did his job today. He gave us long gains, key first downs and didn't cough up the football. 12) Bills Fans are the best fans of any team in any sport. 13) Kiko is going to be a flat out star. 14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not that you are supposed to care what I think, but this Sir, was one very cool post. And Jack is right. The man forgot more than most fans will ever learn about football, and is a gentleman. I tailgated with him at least 10 times and personally vouch for him.

I would like to clarify my stance.....I said that IN MY OPINION Spiller was a bad selection before he played one down for the Bills. He turned out to be a good player, but as you said earlier, the team continues to lose. So was he a good selection at #9? I will leave this up to you and others to decide. And maybe we all will be glad that we selected him so early at some point. Count me in when he wins us some football games. Like I said, he now owes us one for 2013.

My apologies for speaking for Badol. But as I recall, that thread not only involved 2,000 yards, but also the hall of fame. On this board, early first round draft picks are given a ton of room. Almost every poster here is a fanatic who invests WAY too much into this football team. Obviously, I am a member of this club. But the team is losing football games. Both of us know that Badol watches, analyzes and tapes college games. We talked about it at RWS. Badol knows a lot about players before they get here. He also has pointed out just how stupid it is for a team to use it's best resources on RBs and DBs, especially in this new league. This board is great. But if the day ever comes where one must wave pom-poms, it will suck. Badol made a point, and imo it is one which is correct. We all make mistakes but in terms of Badol, being correct about this team is par for the course. And I think that you know this too.

Spiller wasn't only shut down. He fumbled and cost us 7 points, so the premise of this poll is a bit flawed imo. Sorry.

No, I agree. He was around the ball. Listen, any time the Bills can grab a free agent or late round defensive back who can play is an amazing thing. I even liked what I saw of Butler and was sorry that he was cut. I can't stress it enough.....if the Bills get pressure up the middle from Dareus and KW, life will be easier for ALL of their defensive backs. John, I do get it that Brady was playing sans Gronk, Hernandez and Welker. But he is still Tom Brady, and he was forced to throw some balls in the dirt and at times early. I didn't pay as much attention to Mario as I did to Dareus, but from what I could see, Mario was holding his lane, and in the right places.

I have enough respect for your football knowledge to not quibble with you about #4. I do however remind you that both Marrone and Hackett were doing something brand new. As far as Spiller, a case could be made that he lost us this game. And SJ was not all that either. I will hold to my premise that Woods will be the #1 receiver on the Buffalo Bills in 2014.

>>>His TD was just picking up the ball and running.<<< I disagree with the above. He made this play because he is a player who NEVER gives up. I agree with you that he isn't terribly talented at safety. We are on the same page here. But I liken his work ethic to that of players such as Fletcher and Speilmann. Again, I am not trying to say that he has the talent of players such as those. What I AM saying is that if I was a general manager of an NFL Football Team, Searcy would be on my roster. And Coach Tuesday is 100% correct. He made more plays today than Whitner made for 30 million dollars.

That was big. Pettine is clearly more imaginative and more in tune than was Wanny. It also appears that we have an actual quarterback. It sucks to lose, but I am liking a few things that I saw today.

My comments strike you as emotionally detached? OK then.