Bill from NYC

Consider this one of the oh so few times that I actually disagree with you, but here goes: Rex took a talented, aggressive defensive defense and turned it into a bunch of weak sisters, undisciplined to boot. They went from 54 to 21 sacks with talented pass rushers. It was a disgrace. Kyle and Aaron Williams are mentioned above. Kyle has taken a huge beating season after season. If he can hold up that would be great, but I wouldn't be 100% shocked if he is cut. I don't predict it mind you, but it wouldn't shock me. As for AW, any production from him would be a bonus. His injuries sounded serious, and frankly dangerous. Now, we lost our top 2 draft picks. When the contact starts, it's going to be an ugly, sad situation. I see no hope for this defense. Zero. I do however think we are on the same page wrt Tyrod. I think he really is the only hope right now for this team, and I hope they lock him into a long term contract. He brings another dimension to the team and I personally think he will even improve. I hope the receivers not named Watson get better, and this includes the perhaps fragile Clay. Once Rex and Whaley are fired, I will feel a lot better about the Bills.

Absolutely! Many think Bryant was the best ever. Imo Saban is clearly superior to the Bear, and any coach in NCAA history. Not even close, but that's jmo.

Interesting. My guess is that you are right, the older crowd is probably less tolerant of Rex. I tend to think it comes mostly down to the fact that as one ages, he or she is less likely to be fooled by a blowhard who brings nothing to the table. We have been around longer and seen and heard lots of Rex Ryan type losers. I must however give Rex kudos in that he has taken being a non-productive blowhard to the next level, and made quite a sum of money doing so.

I agree. This is a major part of what is wrong with the Bills. Ours are sub-par and I am being kind. Or, do you think it is out players that make this such a bad team?

You are making lots of sense CB. You and I differ about Jauron (I despise his defensive philosophy). I think he was an awful coach, yet I think Ryan is worse. This was a tough, aggressive defense. Now it is passive, undisciplined, and their best players are misused. I understand that this is a fan site, so it's great to keep the faith. That said, I wouldn't be too surprised if they win 5 games or less. The good news imo is that Taylor really does have a chance to be very good if he stays healthy. Will he be good enough to save Rex and Whaley? You tell me. I truly don't think Rex will last the season. I think Whaley will, but that's about it. I really am sorry to be so negative, but I am just unable to see good things happening with Ryan or Whaley. I hope to be happily surprised.

I am all for giving TT a new contract. He is one of the few good things happening on this team.

My bad, sorry. He will almost certainly enter the draft. I do humbly suggest that juniors be included in these rankings. It's tough to see a list of the top OTs without including the best. Not so sure if Kujo was projected to be a "stud" left tackle. Those guys are drafted in the first round. Kujo was the 4th or perhaps 5th best blocker on his team and had a serious injury to boot. If anyone wants Crimson Tide players on the Bills it is me. but this was one dumb draft choice and I said it when it happened. PS: By all reports he is a really good kid. I would absolutely love for him to have a long productive career.

No Cam Robinson on this list? Sure, no problem.

Minkah Fitzpatrick (Alabama) is only a soph. this year. If he doesn't get hurt I am of the opinion he will be a flat out superstar when he comes out but again, he will have to play this season and next. I truly hope that he stays healthy and keeps his head on straight. The kid is a tremendous prospect.

The truth is, #Badol knows more about football than anyone I have ever met. I can think of perhaps 2 that might be in his class but that's it. Badol understands every phase of every game and is a long, long time season ticket holder. He tapes college games and studies them. By the time every draft rolls around he has been watching these kids for years. If you ask Badol for a 4th round right tackle or 6th round olb he can name names and I have seen him do it. Seriously. And yes, he can seem just a bit brusque on this board. That said, I suggest you have a beer with him at a tailgate. The man is an utter gentleman. He doesn't show off with his knowledge but will happily answer your questions. Another thing great about his posts is that he isn't afraid to go against the grain. He is willing to say that the Shady deal was a bad one. He backed me up when I said that Whittner and Spiller were wasted draft selections that actually hurt the team. Most posters thought they were good picks. Some STILL might! I have been posting here for about 20 years. I have met many of you and feel as if I know quite a few of you. You people were there in good times and bad and I thank you more than you could probably ever know. But I'm telling you, this board would be just SO boring if we all agreed on every issue. I almost never agree with Promo (although we seem to see eye to eye on Taylor ), but I make sure to read his posts. It's all good. PS: People, chances are that when you argue with Badol, you will be proven wrong. Make sure to take in what he says and revisit it down the road. You'll see. End of rant. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think that another coach would cut down on undisciplined penalties, and employ a sane defense. I am of the opinion that Tyrod is good enough right now to win football games and bring a team to the playoffs. I can't say the same for Rex or even Whaley, who is often sanctified on this board.

At this point, TT is about the only thing that can save the Bills. I hope they redo his contract today. Between injuries and suspensions, the roster keeps on getting thinner, and this is before any contact. Not good. The GM is way over his head and we have one of the worst coaches in the league, if not THE very worst. The last time I felt this down on the team entering a season was the year AVP was the starter for a while. I know almost all of you cannot see it, but I sincerely believe that Rex will not last the season. We shall see.

Once again I say that if Gilmore is half as good as some of you think, teams would be beating down our door to trade us a first round draft choice for him. Look, it IS a passing league, and a team WILL pay him, but he is certainly not worth the 14 or 15 million per year he will want. I would rather take the first round pick and pay Tyrod. This team will probably win 5 games or less if Tyrod isn't good or gets hurt. I happen to have a lot of faith in him and would strongly prefer spending the big bucks on a quarterback than giving Gilmore a huge guaranteed contract.

As I have said many times, there were players drafted who were a lot worse than Whitner, but Whitner was the worst pick I can remember in semi-recent history. The 2006 draft was just stacked with very good players at a host of positions of need. Levy/Jauron set the team back for many, many years with their awful, disgraceful draft, and one could easily predict the disaster that ensued.

Do you, or does anybody remember Dan Brandenburg? My memory is sketchy, but here is what I got: He was drafted in 1996 in round 7. I remember thinking he was small for a DE but his combine numbers were good. He was fast enough to play lb. No problem! When he hit the field in preseason he had qb sacks galore. He seemed to have blazing speed and good strength. I thought he was a freaking steal and couldn't figure out how he lasted until round 7. He looked like something special, until the season started..... He made the team and was absolutely crushed. He was pancaked at will on the rare occasions he played at lb, and never had a sack. He did last a few years on special teams, although I saw him get beat up there a couple of times as well. How about a thread about players that Bills fans KNEW would bust out?

Your post says "Police" but the article quotes some chief. There really is a difference. Police take orders. If you dislike the situation I suggest blaming the politicians.

Fumble the ring? Just kidding, best of luck!!!

My view is a tad different. My last cigarette was smoked 0n 10/15/15. Before that, I was addicted to tobacco for decades. I remember smoking was relegated to obscure areas of RWS. You couldn't even see the game on TV. Then, they banned it entirely. Some posters here loved it, and still do. I warned people back then that soon, something YOU like will be banned. Some people want to, before a game, drink alcohol in a parking lot and maybe even smoke a joint. I don't smoke weed and it's been quite a while since I had a beer, but I can see how some people feel that there privacy is being invaded. Or, at least many feel hindered from doing that they choose to do. When you think about it, it's hard to make a case for weed and booze in a parking lot, right? I suppose it was also hard to justify second hand smoke exposure, even in remote areas of an outdoor stadium. But, the government needs scapegoats and they want more revenue from taxes and fines. If anyone hasn't noticed, your rights are slipping away, unless you belong to one of several protected interest groups. Oh and btw, other than drivers, I don't care who smokes weed and drinks in parking lots at Bills games. I will still like you even if you dare smoke a cigarette. :) PS: With Rex as the coach, I expect weed, alcohol and tobacco usage to rise.

This is an interesting take on the Levy/Jauron years. The thing is, they built the team starting with the secondary, and ruined it in 2006 with that awful draft. Schobel was a fine player and a very good pass rusher. Jauron had him lined up so wide he was almost out of bounds, and had him in coverage quite often. At the time, he was probably the only good pass rusher we had. Staring with Pettine (who I wish was still here), I really thought the passive defenses were gone. Now, here is this blowhard who talks trash and has 100 million dollar linemen running away from scrimmage, while he is calling them "bullies." Then, why not bring in his brother?! It's unbelievable.

Yes and I have alluded to this in other posts. Neither Ryan nor Jauron is defensively aggressive. I can't believe I am even typing this but I think I would actually prefer having Jauron. The Bills were an undisciplined mess last season. People can display every color coded chart on earth but it was painful to watch this team. They were sub-par AND had lots of talent. I for one have lots of faith in Tyrod. I think Rex will be fired approx. halfway through the season. Hey, I hope to be wrong. Maybe Rex will coach this team to the playoffs. I wish I was able to even see this as possible.

Bandit, the above is 100% true, no doubt. Still, the difference is that Gilmore has a body of work to which to refer. If he is as great as you may (I don't know) think, what would be the problem? Would teams be unwilling to pay Brady because Carson Wentz is cheaper? Would they be unwilling to give up a draft pick AND a contract for Luck, Miller, etc.? For the record, I think that Gilmore is good. Do I put him in the class of a game changing defender who deserves to be the highest paid player on the Bills? Of course not. He may or may not be the best corner on the team. Of course, the above is jmo.

Very consistent. Blame Bills Fans for Ryan being a poor coach and a farce. Do you wake up and blame Bills Fans when it rains or snows?

They might if they were able to sign him to a long term deal, no? This of course IF a team felt he was worth a first round draft choice.

Jauron was an complete, utter disgrace. Rex is just as bad. He has defensive linemen running backwards and jumping around like ballerinas, while telling us what "bullies" they are. As bad as Jauron was, he was easier to tolerate than Rex, but of course this is jmo.

It sure does.