Bill from NYC

WOW!!! :) After all these years, this is still a good board. The above is nothing short of pure originality that paints a vivid picture. I am thinking that quite a bit of suffering went into that post. I keep on telling ya.....Bills Fans are the greatest fans of any team in any sport. Not too many other fans would put up with this poor product and remain loyal.

My take on this never went over that well on this board, but I think that he was a dumb pick to begin with. I'm sorry, does he play like a #10 selection in a draft? Is this what people see when they watch Gilmore? For the record, he isn't a BAD player. He looked a whole lot better before Rex came to town and turned the Bills DL into his version of "Dancing Without The Stars." And this would apply to any corner. When a qb has all day to throw, he will complete passes. Did anyone see Von Miller take over the game last night? My deceased grandmother could have been playing corner and it would have made no difference. My point is that in this passing league, teams need pass rush. The Bills have good corners and no pass rush and this CAN'T work. And now, Gilmore doesn't look as if he cares. One of 2 things will most likely happen: 1) Gilmore walks and they "fill the hole" with a first round draft choice, even if it's a top 5 pick. 2) Whaley breaks the bank and gives Gilmore whatever he wants. I think #2 is more likely because Whaley is a worse spender than most of our ex-wives. Sorry to rant but this truly is a mess. My vote is for Gilmore to walk, but I want it to be in a parade led by Rex, Brandon and Whaley.

Peter, you SHOULD defend Rex if you think its appropriate to do so. Do you think he is a good coach? Do you just like him as a person? Both? I am being serious btw.

Stop hating and being miserable. Try to come to grips to the fact that the University of Alabama Crimson Tide Football Team are the National Champions. Btw, you hate Bills Fans and blast them several times per day and even blame fans for the Bills sad state of affairs. Do you credit Tide Fans for the team being so good?

Good post but you stopped just short of the 2006 draft, which was an absolute killer to this team. Just horrible.

You left out the part about trading away draft choices.

Sorry, but I must respectfully completely disagree with the above. Beside the point? Really? Brandon hired Whaley and Rex who are both incompetent. I think that this is beyond question. Brandon is a huckster along the lines of a barker at a cheap travelling carnival. He didn't hire Rex to win football games as much as to be a ticket selling blowhard. Remember he said we would be "bullies," and the team went down more than 60% in sacks? Bullies? Whaley and Rex are simply awful at what they do. Imo, neither will ever serve again in their current capacities. Who in their right mind would want them? Well, Brandon did and they all need to be fired. Hey, jmo. What is it that you want him to say? Seriously Promo, and I am not trying to be combative. What do you really think he should say after 17 years of bad management. Even you implied the other day that this team sucks.

Is Alex Van Pelt available?

We are already competitive. We just might get the first selection of the draft!

It is certainly a possibility. Why do you really think he was hired? He is more of an attention grabbing blowhard than a football coach.

I was the lone 4-12 vote in the recent poll. Looking back I was optimistic. Now I will say 2 to 4 wins. What a freaking shame.

As I recall, he makes 5.4 million per season guaranteed. It will cost lots of money to dump Rex, and probably the other 2 stooges as well.

Not only was Gilmore torched, he seemed to want to tackle people about as much as Mario did last year. The fact is that he was just another bad first round pick by the Bills. And, he is yet another OK player that Whaley tried to shower with money he doesn't/didn't deserve, just like our pair of ex-Bills/Saints. If any fan can watch this team and not be sickened by Rex, Whaley, and of course Brandon, I envy you. PS: Rex is SO bad that I would consider Jauron to be a superior coach.

Yeah, he was crawling off the field. This is gonna be a LONG season.

And he has already given away some of our draft picks. Whaley does not have enough self control to do his job. Reminds me of Rex.

Of course I will be loyal to the team but the chances of making the playoffs would be close to zero imo.

True indeed bbb. I was flat out furious when they picked Spiller. Not as angry as I was at the Whitner pick mind you, but there was never a doubt in my mind from day 1 that Spiller was a total waste at #9. It's a shame what Bills management has put us fans through, and you are correct. Amateurs like us knew just how dumb these picks were. Other fans, numb from disappointment, cling to the possibility that there still might be something left in these bad, spent players. I think that with new ownership, the Bills finally have a chance, if and when they get rid of the 3 Stooges, Brandon, Whaley and Rex.

Great stuff Bro! You are on a roll!!!

Then there will be posters saying how we should grab a safety or a corner.

3 is plenty. The truth is I doubt if he would take 10 mil these days. Maybe 12, and I'm not even sure about that. If (which I doubt) he would sign with the Bills, it wouldn't cost much. They could fire Rex AND Whaley. There is no way Whaley could tell Saban what to do in any situation, ever.

I fully agree and I hate to say it but a lot of the pressure was coming from Incog's side. He really got beat up on a few plays that I saw. I didn't think the OL was great but I certainly thought it was better than that. And I'm glad that you noticed what I did with Woods. I still don't understand what was going on with the way he kept falling down.

This imo is a good discussion. Thank you. There certainly are many here who want EJ in there. It's not that unusual. It is VERY hard for some fans (and I think that you know this) to come to grips with the fact that a first round draft choice on your team sucks. As for the penalties, let me ask you this: If Alabama had 4 penalties on special teams alone, how do you think Saban would react? Well, he coaches college kids. You are right, these ARE grown men. Is there really an excuse for this? I don't understand how you see any advantage of having Rex on this team, let alone Whaley and Brandon, both of whom might be worse.I think that Brandon brought in Rex as a money making blowhard. I really would like to know what you like about any and all of them, but no charts please. And btw, I'm not a fan of Cowherd, but is he wrong?

So, are you ready to go with EJ? Btw, was it EJ's fault when he lost most of his starts or did other factors weigh in, other than the fact that he sucks? The defense looked pretty good on Sunday, but Ryan is the same bad coach. The penalties are just sickening. There is no accountability on this team. If you don't believe me, just ask the weed smokers who were suspended.

What a great post and huge transformation. :) I was at the game when they lost to Cleveland. I think the score was 6-3. That game was even worse than this but I get your message.

I doubt is Sammy is the best, but do I suppose that This is somehow possible. However, it is getting more and more difficult to defend Whaley and his "give away the store" trades. There is a very good chance that this team sucks. We are already without draft picks that Whaley traded away. Do you see any indication that Whaley will stop giving away picks? Where would that leave the team? I am calling for Whaley to be fired, and this is not a knee jerk reaction to this game. I said it before the season. Whaley is simply not good at his job. He is a kid in a candy store. He cannot resist squandering team resources. Just a rank amateur who is in WAY over his head. Where are the draft picks to correct this mess? How much does Shady make? He had a couple of good draft picks but so did some of the posters on this board. With Whaley, and for that matter Brandon and Rex, I think that we are looking ahead at more long term losing. Very sad but true.