Bill from NYC

Not to mention a slew of free agent dbs.

Was your first sentence a typo?

You are correct but none were dominant and this list includes players drafted at #8, #10, and #11, none of which were good draft selections for the Bills. The evidence really is clear. The Bills concentrated on secondary help more than pass rush, blocking, or even the QB position. Then, they lost games and failed to make the playoffs. The fact that all of those guys didn't completely suck has no meaning when your football team is losing for 17 years.

Whaley hasn't changed since he got here. I liken him to a drunk kid away at college with an unlimited credit card. Whaley has no control of his spending habits be it money or draft picks. He does need to be fired. Sure, and even throw in a scouting team. It would be almost impossible to do a worse job than our GMs.

Wow, is this serious? Look, I am not a fan of Whaley or the trade, but Sammy Watkins is a very talented player.

Hey my Ohio friend: 1) How about if we agree to disagree about Saban owing redemption? Nick and Terry Saban donate HUGE money to charity, are very active in their church, and along with the players, rebuilt the homes of poor people that were damaged by tornadoes and hurricanes. 2) I have NO problem that we were defeated by Ohio State. Again, 7 years, 4 championships. 3) As far as Ohio State Fans not being envious, this may speak for the majority but again, read #2. 4) I urge you to re-watch the title game vs. Clemson. They beat the Tide statistically. I really hope to live long enough to see a Bills game coached as perfectly as the Tide were coached by Saban. That on-sides kick really might have been the best coaching move I ever saw. 5) It's great to chat with you and GB above. 6) Go Bills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It really is all good!!!

And your pool of salty jealous tears my friend is obviously Olympic sized. But no matter what happens between now and next year, the University of Alabama Crimson Tide are the National Champions for the 4th time in 7 years. PS: I am guessing that if Saban would coach for your favorite team, you would be pretty happy.

Redeem himself to who? To you? To Ohio State Fans? Haters are going to hate Saban no matter what he does, wouldn't you say? Much of the college football community is already swimming in a pool of jealous tears. Your post is a good example.

So ya think he was just that great against Alabama? I am thinking that he was closer to pretty good than he was to great.

Great closing to a great post! It's easy for most to see just how bad Rex is. My question is: When does Whaley also get held responsible for this sad circus? Are you sure? Saban, a Belichick disciple, claims to prepare his team more to do their individual jobs and less for the particular team they are facing. I heard him say this but then again, it might not be the truth.

This is SO true. What I don't understand is why. Would you please tell us why you think Rex would change from a swaggering tough guy to an oversized Dick Jauron? This is what I just can't figure out. Has there ever been a highly successful defensive coach who was not aggressive? Also, doesn't the fact that the game is now a passing game increase the need for pass rush? I have seen Von Miller take over games and win them for his team. Our linemen are dancing, jumping and/or in pass coverage. I don't understand.

>>>>>Rex took a top 5 defense and made it the laughing stock of the league. The race to the bottom churned into a new gear when he hired his brother. Brandon, Whaley and the Pegulas should have known better.<<<<< John, how was the above sarcastic or troll bait? Our defense makes that of Jauron look efficient and aggressive. It is sickening to watch. The poster might not be saying what you want to hear, but it doesn't make him wrong.

OK, THAT was funny!!!

38-35 Cards. Tyrod plays well but the Bills bring no pass rush and get picked apart.

I think that Marlon would go sooner if he was just a tad faster. That said, he certainly does have great skills. It will be fun to see where these guys go.

I'm pretty sure that you know that I root for the Tide. Marlon Humphrey is a fine player. I have seen every game he has played in and even watched his father play. That said, with or without Gilmore on the team, he is not by any stretch of the imagination worthy of a top 5 pick. There are at least 3 defenders on the Alabama roster that I would prefer to see on the Bills. Jonathan Allen gets better before your eyes. Tim Williams is virtually unstoppable as a pass rusher, and Reuben Foster does everything at lb. Everything, and he hits like a truck. One major problems of the Bills has been drafting to fill holes. Humphrey, imo, is more of a late first round pick.

Perhaps. Does this mean we should all approve of the way he was used last season? He sure looked better to me in 2014, ya know?

Him, or our first round corner to replace Gilmore.

Bro, what about the dancing and waving. The guy probably weighs between 340 and 350 lbs. Are you really going to tell me that you approve of the way our 350 million dollar front 4 was used last season?

Sure 26! Last year they won 8 games. And, they did it with 21 qb sacks, more than a 60% decline. Dareus was often back in coverage and sometimes when he was not, he was often standing around the LOS jumping and dancing. Rex couldn't even get production from Mario Williams in a 4/3. WE had 54 sacks before Rex got here. How many do you expect this seaon? How about the seemingly non-stop penalties? And btw, did Gilmore even try last week? These are just some of the ways Rex destroyed the team, and none are OK. This team is now, imo, awful. I said it before the season started. Whaley had a few good draft picks. Great!!! Fine thanks, but he also continues to overpay some players and peddle away draft picks. I make the case that we need a coach and a GM who are good at their jobs Bro. Whaley and Rex ARE simply awful imo.

No doubt, but do you view Rex as competent enough to make a change? He should be the first one out the door, followed by Whaley and Brandon. These are 3 men who are horrible at their jobs if the goal is to win football games. And Roman might be awful too, but I would take him over Rex in a heartbeat. We can pretend all is well and sing songs and roast marshmallows around the tire fire, but these 3 guys have turned a mediocre team into a disaster, and they had MUCH more of a negative impact than Roman. Jmo.

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WOW!!! :) After all these years, this is still a good board. The above is nothing short of pure originality that paints a vivid picture. I am thinking that quite a bit of suffering went into that post. I keep on telling ya.....Bills Fans are the greatest fans of any team in any sport. Not too many other fans would put up with this poor product and remain loyal.

My take on this never went over that well on this board, but I think that he was a dumb pick to begin with. I'm sorry, does he play like a #10 selection in a draft? Is this what people see when they watch Gilmore? For the record, he isn't a BAD player. He looked a whole lot better before Rex came to town and turned the Bills DL into his version of "Dancing Without The Stars." And this would apply to any corner. When a qb has all day to throw, he will complete passes. Did anyone see Von Miller take over the game last night? My deceased grandmother could have been playing corner and it would have made no difference. My point is that in this passing league, teams need pass rush. The Bills have good corners and no pass rush and this CAN'T work. And now, Gilmore doesn't look as if he cares. One of 2 things will most likely happen: 1) Gilmore walks and they "fill the hole" with a first round draft choice, even if it's a top 5 pick. 2) Whaley breaks the bank and gives Gilmore whatever he wants. I think #2 is more likely because Whaley is a worse spender than most of our ex-wives. Sorry to rant but this truly is a mess. My vote is for Gilmore to walk, but I want it to be in a parade led by Rex, Brandon and Whaley.