Bill from NYC

Hey, what caused your site to fold? What were you, the resident douchebag? Thank you, I am feeling great and am truly blessed. You know Mike, I think that this influx of new posters will be good for TSW. Our mods and SDS have been at this a while and will be able to see who is doing what before very long.

He missed several opportunities to draft a quarterback. It isn't so often that you can get a good one by trade or free agency. He peddled away picks instead of stockpiling them. Don't you wish we had more coming into this draft? Also, Whaley was lucky that a few of his dumb moves failed, such as trying to re-sign Spiller and Byrd. He made a great trade when he got Hughes and had some good signings so he isn't 100% bad imo. I want a GM who can resist dumb trades, draft sensibly, and get this team into the playoffs.

I view him as lacking in discipline. I'm not confident with him heading into a draft given his propensity toward trading away picks. Buffalo has not been such a popular destination for NFL players since the super bowl years. The draft is the best way for the Bills to build a winning team and Whaley has done a lousy job imo.

:) And what would that make me Thomas?

Of course it is my opinion. Both of us are entitled to opinions, no? If you think he has done a good job and you want to keep him, run with it.

Weren't you up at Dartmouth when my daughter graduated?

Thanks for the intelligent response. You are a pretty smart guy.

That was a great article. >>>The roster is a monument to weak drafting and short-sighted personnel management. At the end of last season, the Bills had fewer of their own draft picks on the roster than any other team. They had 22 unrestricted free agents on March 1. They had precious few "value" players, young stars who are on their first contracts and help balance the roster.<<< One of the reasons for the above quote is that Whaley keeps trading away our precious draft picks for little return. Listen, I don't hate the man. The truth is that he is a lousy, undisciplined, short sighted GM. If he was watching his money he is set for life. Bills Fans deserve a GM who can get us into the playoffs. Whaley will never, ever land another job in this capacity. He needs to be fired.

Stop, good thread!!! I would try for a 3rd but a 4th wouldn't be out of the question.

Kirby, could this be what I was thinking of? Is this thought of to be good or bad for the team (not the player)? http://www.catscratchreader.com/2016/4/20/11466728/2016-nfl-draft-just-how-valuable-is-the-fifth-year-option-for-first

I can't check that right now but I thought it was in the cba where they created the rookie spending limit. Again, I'm not sure.

Want: Watson Don't Want: Any Defensive Back Dark Horse: Jonathan Allen (if he lasts which I doubt) Think: The 3rd rated corner

Whassup OC! I hope all is well. I would like to see them draft Watson, the qb from Clemson at #10. I wouldn't want them to move up because Whaley has already tossed numerous draft picks down the sewer. If he is gone I would love to see a trade down. I hope someone corrects me if I am wrong but I am under the impression that the top 10 picks give teams an extra year with that player. If I am correct, a case can be made that top 10 picks are of high value. So, I would trade down a max. of 10 spots and draft the bpa from the choices of OL, pass rusher, and wide receiver. If they think that a TE or LB is a great player and he is on the board, I would be ok with it. That said, history tells us we will chase a corner to patch this huge hole we are supposed to have now that we are rid of Gilmore and his cap hit.

That was a very nice article.

I hear ya my friend. Great post. I differ a bit wrt blockers, but that is what message boards are for. And again, Cam scares me. He was great 2 years ago and there has been little progress. I was watching youtube video of an Alabama Guard recently. I saw a running play (and btw Howard took out a corner with a great block ) and for no reason, Cam wrapped his arms around the defender and held him. If he isn't the hardest worker for Nick Saban, that might not translate well to the pros. He looks as if he is getting by on pure skill and measurables and its a shame because trust me, he has tons of talent, enough to be one of the great NFL blockers.

Btw GB, I started looking up other teams in terms of first round picks on dbs. since 1993 (again, the Bills have 8). So far: NE - 5 Denver - 3 Green Bay - 5 Seattle - 3 Bears - 1 Dallas - 4 Bengals - 5 Saints - 4 Falcons - 5

Only in rare circumstances. If a team had a: 1. Franchise QB. 2) Strong, deep OL and DL, including pass rush. 3) Good targets at WR. Even at that, if my pick was early I would prefer trading down. The Bills have drafted corners dbs up and down the first round for decades, even before the rule changes. Since 1992 (25 drafts) the Bills have taken 8 dbs and 4 rbs in round 1. In 2 of those drafts we had no first round pick. Most of these selections were a complete, whereas we didn't keep them after 1 contract. The dbs ranged from #8 (Whitner) to #28 (T. Smith) The RBs ranged from #9 (Spiller) to #23 A. Smith and Magahee). It isn't working. We are just patching holes and not making the playoffs. It has got to stop at some point.

Humphrey is a very good player who I would put in the second round. Eddie Jackson is also a very good prospect. VERY good. He is a smart, versatile player who could step in and help a team. I am high on both of these kids, but not at #10. PS: The safeties currently on the Crimson Tide (Harrison and Fitzpatrick) might be the best pair to have ever played on a college team at the same time. They both have star potential. Harrison hits like a truck and Fitzpatrick covers as well as almost any corner in the NCAA let alone safety.

No, as I said above I see him dropping. Now, if he had a personality like Jonathan Allen then yes, I would grab him at #10. That said, I would prefer trading down than drafting a corner. Jmo

The focus on defensive backs and running backs has killed this team for many, many years and will probably continue to do so. There is no historical basis to think otherwise. As for Cam Robinson, he is a gamble. The kid has all the talent that he needs but he has had problems off the field. He is the kind of kid that could be a 12 year starter and pro bowl player, or he could take the money and screw up. I get the feeling that the team who drafts him will either be elated or screwed. My guess is that he will drop in the draft to a team that is already good.

He is an old, used up criminal and will want too much money. Other than that I like him.

None of them are worth a dime if your team needs help at qb, has the worst receiving corps in the NFL, and has huge holes on the OL. And every team wants to get better in terms of pass rush. Using our best resources on secondary and rbs is what got us into the mess we are in. Even if we draft a safety or a corner at #10 and he is "good," the team will get worse. If you don't believe me, ask yourself what happened with Gilmore, Whitner, McKelvin, etc.

I remember Levy saying in a press conference that the Bills would be spending "cash to cap." This was clearly another limit imposed by Mr. Wilson. This made his drafts even worse because there was no rookie cap. They paid Donte Whitner in the neighborhood of 36 million dollars 11 years ago when this was worth that much more. Ngata would have cost a lot less and they could have traded back and drafted him or other players who were far superior to Whitner, AND got extra picks. Once after Levy left, the team was bad in all areas and was getting slaughtered. A reporter asked Marv what he thought the problem was, and Marv said "special teams." He was serious. Remember they were running a "smash mouth" offense with no blocking? I am not going to badmouth Marv at his age. Let's just say that I am hard pressed to understand how he was able to coach an NFL team to 4 super bowls.

Yeah, he accomplished a lot by trading away our draft picks. Aren't you glad that we don't have a full compliment once again?

My signature was "Draft McKinnie" in those days. I was up in Buffalo for a weekend and saw McKinnie absolutely destroy Freeney in a college game. He stomped him into the ground. McKinnie could have been a better player. He wasn't a model citizen but he was a fine left tackle. The Bills would have had playoff appearances if they had drafted McKinnie instead of Mike Williams. And I still think Whitner was a worse pick. Of course jmo.