Bill from NYC

Wait, this is impossible...... He is a "shut down corner." Also, if Belichick gave him the big bucks, those who don't think Gilmore isn't s superstar don't know what they are talking about. Remember?

I'm not certain what you mean by "absolutely loaded." I am not saying that you are wrong, but do you think they are THAT great? I remember reading how good they were last year before Bama beat them 56-7. A few haters on Sirius called this a "fluke," but from where I sat it was a brutal beat down. Have they improved THAT much? Are they better than say.....Wisconsin? Again, I am asking, not making a statement.

I would like to join in with the thanks. If this was a Patriots board it would mean less. The Bills need great drafts in order to compete. This forum is good and I think will get much better because we have posters on the site who I consider draft experts (not referring to myself at all). So thanks SDS and Roll Tide!!!

I think that tackling Tolbert hurts defenses. Defenders are smaller and faster these days. There are good players today that might not have made a roster 20 years ago. I like what I have seen of Tolbert. When the weather gets colder and the winds howl, I have a feeling that Tolbert will be appreciated even more as he grinds out first downs and physically punishes opponents.

I think that they were actually better last year and were injured on defense down the stretch. The thing is, Saban coached teams really don't get worse. This team needs more pass rush but it looks like some of the LBs are coming back, and they seem to be sending in defensive backs on blitzes. Saban has been able to give some freshmen playing time already and they look very deep but we shall see.

Belichick and Saban are friends. They coached together on the Browns, and they both happen to be Croatian. Coach Saban would respond to Marcel in a second if he reached out. He did quite a bit to help Upshaw, and I'm sure many others. I once heard Marcel on a video after he was on the Bills. He said that Coach Saban controlled "every minute of your life" and would have to lighten up if he returned to the pros. When he was at Bama, I heard no stories of him challenging Coach Saban or acting out. I don't sense that he is a bad kid. I just hope he isn't content to have all that money in his pocket but I am not all that confident.

My father was born in Alabama and I have been a fan for 50 years. I was around, albeit just a kid, for The Bear, Namath and The Snake. I have watched virtually every play of every game for many years. Now I can tape them and watch them multiple times. Coach Saban didn't only transform the football team. The University is now ranked high academically and admission is highly sought by students from all over the country. He is the greatest coach in the history of college football and it isn't close. As far as the pros, he wanted Brees and was given (and promptly cut) Dante Culpepper. With Brees he would have won a super bowl, maybe a few. You and others can find reasons galore to hate Coach Saban. I'm used to it. Hate and jealousy are ugly and being an Auburn Fan is nothing to be ashamed of. Me? I'll just continue to support the Bills and the Tide. Quite the contrast but it's all good and I truly do wish you well. GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You've got to get better at spotting haters. Even closet haters. ROLL TIDE ROLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree 100% with the bolded. If they think that one of these kids will be a better than average qb they absolutely must draft him. As far as White, imo its too early to say, but I think that the draft was mishandled. As for "good" players being "good" picks, I disagree in part. Donte Whitner was "good," but he was one of the all time worst draft Bills selections (quite the accomplishment indeed) because of who Levy passed up to draft him. The same can be said for McKelvin. The way I see it, good draft picks are the players that win you football games. Jmo John and I am sure we will reach a consensus of sorts. We usually do.

Well, they also drafted Darby with their first selection in a draft. And even with the stats you listed, it places them well into the upper half of teams selecting first round dbs. Furthermore, look at the total team history if you will. Since the 90's, I doubt if any team drafted more. And what you said about "drafting bad players" doesn't really apply to this conversation imo. Mike Williams and Aaron Maybin were bad players. McKelvin, Gilmore and Whitner were not especially bad. In fact, Whitner collected approx. 36 million in salary from the Bills. These guys were fairly good but we lost football games. For decades the Bills drafted dbs in lieu of blockers and pass rushers, let alone quarterbacks. I am hopeful that this may change but the first round of the 2017 draft was disturbing to me.

Brother, it's not killing me, it's killing our Bills. And which of our first round dbs received a second contract? McKelvin? That matters to, no? And of course we made the same mistake many times at RB.

How about a defensive back top 10 when you have quarterback issues?

Today was supposed to be a challenge and it could have been. Coming into this game, Vanderbilt had the leading defense in the SEC and had allowed approx. 200 yds. per game. They are also a well coached team. Coach Mason and one of the Vandy linemen were talking smack before the game. That was a mistake but imo Coach Mason will learn from this and grow as a football coach. I think that his future is bright. Listen, it's early. Bama is stacked on offense but anything can happen. I am NOT saying that they will definitely win another title this year. What I AM saying is ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Whaley had the worst contracts AND the worst draft day trades. Now, to really be fair he was surrounded by idiots above him (Brandon) and below him (Rex). Still, there is no accounting for his mistakes and it was a great day for Bills Fans when they dumped him. I seriously doubt that McBeane can be AS bad as Whaley but time will tell. Yes, of course. Are you suggesting that the Bills cut one of their only good players (and take a cap hit for doing so) because he was hurt? We are talking about Glenn, not a guy who gets in trouble, right?

CB, I am not saying that no team would pick up Marcel for a fraction of his ridiculous contract. I am saying that no team would trade a good quarterback for Dareus, his contract, and his issues. Nobody would be that dumb.

What do you think of Wisconsin? Is it me or do they get better every year?

No. it's all good..... The thing that seems to be hard for you and many others to accept is that Dareus, with his crazy contract, serious behavioral issues, and perhaps limited production, is not an asset. In fact, in terms of trade value he is all but worthless. Smith is often slighted on this board when being discussed but imo he is a good quarterback. What NFL team would be dumb enough to give up a good quarterback for Dareus and inherit that salary, those contract clauses, and his off field antics? Sad but true.

What makes it funnier is that he used to be "AlwaysBillieve."

Scott, I don't pretend to fully understand this issue but I find it interesting. That said, the following is a question, NOT a suggestion....... Would it make sense if posters on TBD paid you, and you in turn could make whatever arrangements with the BN, etc. as you deem fit? This way, we could still get the benefits of this site and you could decide how much money (if any) to allot to local publications. If you think this would work, count me in. I am not a rich man but 3 dollars per month or 12 dollars per year is nothing but again, I don't pretend to understand this business. As far as the NYT, I agree with you 100%. I think the Times is a garbage publication but I also think that those who like it should pay if that's what it takes.

As you totally know, the rookie cap makes drafting a Jamarcus Russell or Ryan Leaf less of a franchise killer than it used to be. They have to keep trying until they click and I hope they use some picks on blockers to protect their young qb. Incog is old, Mills sucks, Glenn isn't healthy, etc.

Consider checking in on Promo's thread.

Congrats! Your decades long hatred of Bills Fans has reached a new plateau. Now you, at your sanctimonious best, are offering us the chance to "check out" if we don't toe your rather dim witted line which demands that we agree with you? As Stephen Stills once said, "sit yourself down, take a look around."

He looks like he would be a superstar playing at Guard. Jmo.

I wonder how much damage is already done. Not that it matters much but on a you tube video in which Cowherd was talking about a pro team hiring Coach Saban, he said that Luck's insides are bleeding, and this was a couple of years ago.