Bill from NYC

Of course, but the Bills prefer to draft defensive backs. They traditionally shy away from blockers. In fact, since 1990 the Bills have drafted no less than 10 dbs in the first round. This of course does not count Darby who was our first pick but a second rounder. In the same time span they have drafted all of 4 blockers in round 1. One would think that there would be no excuse for not drafting offensive linemen next year but I don't count on it.

That screen name is just great!!! I place it easily in my top 10 and I have been here since the 90's. Welcome to TSW.

Gerry the move might turn out to be a good one. I wouldn't bank on it but it's surely possible. The OP was asking if the new admin compares to Levy/Jauron and I think that there are in fact similarities at this point.

I disagree. Badol is speculating and there is a basis for this John. This year, the Bills once again passed on a quarterback and drafted a first round corner. Who does this sound like? And yes, I know they acquired a 2018 first rounder. They deserved one for trading down 16 slots!!! In 2006, Levy/Jauron entered the draft with a 1st (#8), an early second and 2 early thirds. They came away with Whitner, McCargo, and Ashton Youboty. That's right, those three players with 4 early picks. In the 4th, they drafted Ko Simpson. In summary this, along with the trades, is not a great start. If they mess up the 2018 draft, will you still support them? In other words, is there any limit to how many bad moves you will tolerate? From where I sit, there is NO excuse for a poor draft with all of those picks. Jmo.

Proof? Perhaps not but the first thing they did was pass on drafting a quarterback and grab another first round corner (this after letting one walk). It might not prove much but it sure sounds familiar, no?

I'm sorry but Levy and Jauron destroyed this team with the 2006 draft and I called it that very day. They reached for and traded up for garbage, and focused on mediocre at best to second rate defensive backs. I predicted at the time that it would take 5 years to recover and I'm still waiting.

OK, that was funny!!! Stick around, you will see what I was talking about.

It is good to see you and others acknowledge that BADOL really does know what he is talking about. I don't always agree with him.....in fact I was furious when Whaley gave away the store for Sammy. Still, he doesn't just say s@#t. His posts are all intelligent and well thought. A word of advice for you, a new poster.....why don't you jot down each instance in which you disagree with Badol. Then, get back to that list later on and see who was correct. You would be much more informed if you engaged him in constructive dialogue. Up to you Bro.

You know, I am not going to assign the bulk of the blame for the lack for the lack of playoff appearances on Hughes, but I readily admit that you do raise an interesting point. Good post.

That would be great GB! One good draft could put us on the map in a year or 2. I would love to see a top qb AND strengthen the OL for him.

Seriously? Go to www.drafthistory.com. It will tell you what this team has done wrt the draft since the team was founded. Posters on this board have correctly predicted first round draft choices year after year, and I am including McKelvin, Gilmore, Spiller and even Watkins and many others. It hasn't been so hard to do.

I'll start.....To define terms, I am looking at the trades as 1 move for the sake of this post. In all, I am still against these moves because: 1) I think we could have received more than a #2 and a bad corner for Watkins. 2) I never thought Darby was THAT bad . 3) We are now weak at WR despite an early pick in 2017. 4) I truly believe that out of the 6 picks in the first 3 rounds of the 2018 draft, half or more will consist of running backs and secondary. That really sucks. Despite the above, I am starting to cool off a bit from my initial burst of anger because: 1) Watkins, although extremely talented, PROBABLY didn't want to play here any more than Gilmore did. Although I am not one to endorse giving in to players (ala the Peters trade), I CAN appreciate that the new bosses want to play the games with their own players. I'm not convinced that they know what they are doing, but maybe they do have a clue. 2) It would seem to be a sure thing that they will draft a qb in 2018 and supposedly there are some good ones. 3) Maybe, just maybe I will be wrong about #3 above and the Bills will add some blockers and pass rushers. 4) There is nothing I can do about it and I am too old to allow myself to get as angry as I used to at the follies I have seen from this team. 5) No matter how mad I was or ever will be at the Bills, what's the difference? I will support them until I am carted off this planet. Is anybody else tempering their hard line stance in either direction? GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I cannot and will not turn my back on this team. I will B word and moan until the cows come home and come right back for more misery. True Bills Fans are in this thing forever. We do however deserve a playoff appearance. I mean really.....

John, I understand that the above could confuse you. I will try to explain: In the 2017 draft, I failed to see much difference wrt the way the new coach went about things. They walked away from a QB and traded down. To draft who? That's right, another first round defensive back. They DID draft a blocker although they had to trade up to do so, but that can work. It did with Levitre. Why should I (or even you) believe that they will not waste most of these picks that they now possess? Six picks in the first 3 rounds? Great! Will they use 4 on running backs and defensive backs John? Is this what you want? Now, they traded away a decent corner and traded for a perhaps weak one. This leaves the door wide open for more wasted picks. I don't want to hear any more that players like Spiller, McKelvin, and Whitner were "good." We lost football games because we wasted our resources on these people. And if Gilmore was SO good, why didn't we keep him? In short, I don't trust the new administration yet. I believe they are better than Rex/Whaley but only because they couldn't possibly be worse. How about we make the playoffs before we throw roses at these guys?

You are probably right. I think that the bottom can easily fall out if we lose Shady and a blocker or 2, let alone Tyrod. It hurts to have to think like this. And if ya think these trades were painful, what happens if they blow the draft next year? They will have EVERY opportunity to make this a strong, solid team in 2018, to include all of these great picks and I think a ton of cap space.

Do you think that this is beyond the realm of possibility? I hope they win 16 games but 4 seems to be more likely. They have no deep threat so teams will be able to gang up on the run. Tyrod's mobility will help, unless he gets demolished. One thing is certain, it's not looking good.

I don't understand how anyone following this team doesn't see eye to eye with the above. Sammy has a boatload of talent which was of little use to the Bills, and look at what it cost to draft him. I take pride in the fact that I hated this trade from day 1. As a Bills Fan, I learned long ago that the fact that a player is "good," or in this case potentially great doesn't necessarily translate into wins. Whaley wasted out best resources on a consistent basis. He had no idea what he was doing and no self control. Despite this, I think that both trades were idiotic, and the new brass has not shown me that they know how to build a football team, at least not yet. What a mess.......

I think that it will. I would also like to see these men go after the hard positions to fill such as left tackle and pass rushing defensive ends.

That is a very fair question. The truth is it is probably a bit of both. I hated the way the first round of the draft was handled and the trade of Darby points to yet another first round corner. You see, both options seem to blend together.

Kirby and everyone else here WANTS the Bills to draft a great qb. I don't think that there is a lot of reason to believe that they will. And if you think they be able to win a decent number of games AND draft a great quarterback, I will say that imo the odds of this happening are not good.

On this we agree to be sure. It is VERY early but it looks as if the top 3 qbs, barring injury, could be drafted in the top 10 picks, if not top 5. Greg Cossell was talking up the kid from Wyoming (Josh Allen?) and Rosen this morning and said Darnold could get much better. It looks to me that the Bills will win in the neighborhood of 4 games so they might have a chance to get one, if of course they want to go in that direction. It would not surprise me if they did not.

I know you are breaking my shoes but getting a corner MIGHT have made me happy if he was any good AND they didn't trade one away. This virtually guarantees another 1st or second round corner. And CB, Shady isn't getting younger. Is there another 1st round RB on the horizon?

Yeah and the wins sure did pile up. You must have loved the '06 draft! Btw, the 6 picks look good now, but don't you think that several of them will be traded away and others wasted?

Both trades were awful They traded a possibly great player for a small, ineffective corner and a #2. Then they traded away a decent corner who they will replace with a very high draft choice. They are spinning in circles and its ugly.

Gilmore was a gun shy waste of a draft pick, much like Spiller and virtually every other 1st round pick the Bills have drafted for many, many years. I am guessing that Bellichick will not have him starting before the end of the season.