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I think that you have me confused with someone else. Do tell me when I ever heaped praise upon Beane, or especially McDermott. Imo both need to prove themselves. I will say that imo Beane is far more disciplined than Whaley ever thought about being. You otoh are way more forgiving than I am in terms of the Bills. You have actually praised Jauron as a coach which to me is unthinkable. I'm not sure what you thought of Levy as a GM. Now, Whaley is this great GM? Yikes!!!!! Where are their job offers CB? We both know that they are non-existent. I think that if I took stances like you I would probably be a happier person in general, but I just don't have it in me to proclaim that franchise killers such as Jauron, Levy (as GM) and Whaley were any good at their jobs. That said, the dialogue is fun.

Fair enough. Idiot is harsh. I think that he was a bad GM, but I do not think that he is an idiot.

Yes, this is why they are beating down his door with job offers.

I understand your point. Mine is that because you can point out a few players that he drafted who are "good" and a nice trade or 2 also is not proof that Whaley was a good GM. He was undisciplined, traded away our best picks, gave out ridiculous contracts, and neglected vital areas of the team to include quarterback. He did however dress extremely well. The man had superb tastes in suits.

Yeah, he was an awful choice. Even as a Crimson Tide Fan I was against that pick. I said at the time that there were at least three, but possibly all 4 starters on the Alabama line that were better than him, plus he was hurt. I wish it could have worked out for him because despite the rather serious problem he had, he seemed to be a really nice kid.

Daniel Jones is getting good articles written about him in these parts. I have not seen enough of him to really form a pertinent opinion but from what little I have seen, I consider him to be a legit prospect. He might be a better QB than Lock in time.

Whitner in 2006 was perhaps the dumbest pick I ever saw and I mean ever, but; the question was from 2010 so I am going to run with Spiller. Nice guy, but he was barely able to understand plays. He was an undersized part time player in college and although some draft "experts" had him rated high, the kid was a 4th round pick at best. Not enough? They put him behind an OL that sucked. I have said many times that Bills Fans are the best. It really is true. It is SO easy to be a fan of some teams, and every team does make mistakes. That said, the Bills drafts have been so bad they were actually painful sometimes. Please, can we have a good one tomorrow?????!!!!!

So what? What difference does this make when there was the lack of a quarterback to get him the ball. Mortgaging the future and drafting Watkins was equal to putting a complete new roof on a house with a crumbling foundation. The Bills needed a quarterback and blockers. Watkins was a ridiculous pick considering what the Bills had and what they gave up. Jmo.

Agreed. Bills Fans are a little burned out from Parrish and Spiller. Gadget players are a bad place to devote precious resources.

You made some very solid, true statements in this post.

Good question. I am thinking that some of both were at play.

Nope. I want young talent on the OL. The Bills already traded away 2 left tackles. At some point this really must stop.

Good. I was afraid that we would do something like this. I want MORE picks in 2020.

I sincerely hope that you are correct. That draft will be chock full of wide receivers. I have probably seen every play of Quinnen's career. The kid can play, and he is a seemingly wonderful kid. Do I think that he is a legit #2? He might be, but not for the Bills to give up a 1st in 2020. I would rather trade down and get another one for that matter. And btw, call me crazy but I think that there is a 10% or so chance that we can get him at #9.

I completely acknowledge your point, but I do not want the Buffalo Bills to serve as a farm team for other franchises, to include New England. Gilmore sure did play harder and better on the pats than he did on the Bills, no? Imo, the draft is the best tool for building a winning football team. A foundation must be built this way. Trading away all those picks for a receiver was just stupid when you have no quarterback and so-so blocking at best. I do not enjoy watching Bills draftees winning games for other teams. We have a quarterback now. I really do hope that we get him some blocking and offensive weapons so we can win football games.

What you perhaps don't see in my posts is how I view drafts. A case could be made that Gilmore, McKelvin, Watkins, and Whitner were "good" picks for the Bills because all were good players. None of them sucked; some were very good. The problem is, the team just kept on losing football games. Whaley mortgaged the future of the Bills by trading for Watkins on a team. The team needed OL help and didn't have a top quarterback , thus making the trade idiotic. The Bills overlooked the QB position and blocking for decades. Whaley was part of this losing process. His other dumb moves were just too numerous to list. In the credit where its due dept., his trade for Hughes was a great one. Getting rid of Whaley gave this team a chance to win. I much prefer Beane and imo, the jury is still out on McDermott. I couldn't possibly disagree more my friend. The trick is to win football games. The results are in the won/loss record. Not many players on that list above ever took over a game and won it for the Buffalo Bills.

This is true. I do however think that a good GM needs 10x the discipline that Whaley had. As far as EJ, the team never should have been in the position in which they were forced to draft a QB in that horrible QB draft. Remember G Man, Whaley traded down 8 spots and then drafted EJ. That tells me that he was ready to lose him and draft Smith. The entire situation was embarrassingly stupid.

Bad info? Watson carried his team on his back to a National Championship! Teams raced up to draft these players. Mahomes (as we know) has every tool one could possibly have. Some posters on this board seemed to have a pretty clear picture of the situation. Your bottom paragraph makes a good deal of sense Dr. D, but it doesn't mean that it was right to forsake 2 big time QB prospects and draft a corner. As I said, if McDermott doesn't win, this will be his legacy, not the term "process" that he shamelessly co-opted from Coach Saban. Maybe but you are supposed to win football games. Why do you think that nobody has hired him as GM if he is that good. Serious question.....

He wound up doing so unwittingly. It is very possible that he will be judged as the man who gave two excellent QBs away to draft a corner. If he didn't know how badly the team needed a quarterback (in lieu of a cornerback) he had no business being given this much authority.

This doesn't surprise me one bit. Anyone who listens to this kid in an interview will hear that he is a very smart kid. Absolutely! His coach invented this term when our coach was in college, or perhaps high school. Seriously. I hope so BB but the strength program he comes from might be second to none. I still think that the possibility of him playing guard, at least initially, is real.

Exactly and btw, I remember TJ as a capable blocker.

I hear ya bro and I don't want to appear harsh with you. If Whaley produced wins, I would soften my tone wrt his ability as a GM. That said, I doubt that he will ever again work in that capacity. Jmo.

I am pretty sure he had some injuries. TJ is strong and always had reasonable speed, as well as good hands and moves. Imo there is little to no risk in signing him and I can picture him down the road winning a game for us.

I'm pretty sure that I heard something like that as well.