Bill from NYC

Really? From what I have seen he is really coming around. Hey, as long as the Bills win it's all cool!!!!!!!

It helps to be playing next to Quinnen Williams who looks like he is turning into a fine player.

Little girl, little girl (Little girl, little girl) Lord you know it's true Little girl, little girl (Little girl, little girl) Lord you know it's true I give my life for you baby If I thought you'd love me the way that I love you I've done more for you (More for you) Than your daddy's ever done I've done more for you (More for you) Than your daddy's ever done I give you my heart and my soul, baby (Heart and my soul to you) He ain't give you none

Thanks. i want to go to a nice hotel but I don't want to risk thousands playing poker. I think that I'm a better than average blackjack player but the last few times I have been to a casino (which is very rare), a drunk will sit to the right of the dealer and screw up the game. One guy was hitting 17 when the dealer had a 6 showing. It turned me off to blackjack.

Brian, he doesn't have to make the hall of fame. I never said that and truthfully, this has gone far enough imo. In my last attempt to clarify my position, certain posters were talking about Gilmore as if he is an all time great. The other poster who of course makes no mistakes declared that Gilmore is a HOF player. My thing is, he went for a 6th round pick Brian, a 6th ROUND PICK!!!!!!!!!!! My other point is that teams could have cut players to take him if they thought he was THAT great. There could have been a bidding war. They did not, and there was not. In any event, I am done. I have known you for years and it is clear that none of us are likely to budge, especially the "Alpha" man. This is not important enough to fight over. I can't speak for others but even if I am wrong, my ego wouldn't be bruised by a silly mistake. I am not trying to dominate this conversation, anyone, or anything. I have nothing to prove here. I suppose that I'm not an alpha male. Take care of yourself Bro.

OK, I respect that. If you were the Bills GM you could have got him for a 5th round pick. Maybe a 4th because we are in the same division as NE. But, Bellichick HAS traded with us before. Remember the Bledsoe deal?

Moss and Brown were considered to be high risk "head cases." Gilmore just went for a 6th round pick. Nice call all knowing one. Really WAY out there on a limb, aren't we? 😁 As far as Antonio Brown, I think that he might have had an issue or two, no? C'mon Brian, you can do better than this.

Nonsene. If a team thought that he was just so great (as you clearly believe) they could have easily cut a not great player to make space for him. They also could have reworked his deal and the cap hit would have been not so bad. I always admitted that Gilmore was a good player until he dogged it in Buffalo towards the end. He got even better when he left here he got better. Some posters on this board (with you leading the charge) insinuated that he was an all time great. Well, on his way to Canton, he was traded for a 6th round draft pick!!!😀😁😂 So you see, the all knowing Alpha Man was wrong. Was this the first time in your life?

No, You happen to think he would and I did admit that possibility. That said, I am not in the locker room or on the field working out with him. Are you? I am not a doctor, nor did I read his medical reports. Did you? He went for a 6th freaking round pick!!! I'm wondering if the Panthers also slipped a note to Kraft telling him not to spend it all in one place. What would teams pay if Tre White was in the exact same circumstances? Only a 6th round pick? You know, it really is OK to be "wrong" on this board. I thought that Rob Johnson would lead the Bills to a Super Bowl. It perplexes me how some posters over the years just can't admit to being wrong. Gilmore went from the Hall of Fame (on this board) to trade bait for a 6th round pick, but I am the one who was "wrong?" Gotcha Bro.

Does anyone know of a nice Las Vegas Hotel that has small limit poker games? Is there any such thing?

I am not a fan of Brady. Not at all but wasn't he taking less money so the Pats could bring in more players?

Maybe. I would even say that there is a strong possibility that the bolded is true. Then again, maybe not LOL. A 6th Round Pick???😮 That said, if he was the superstar that he was portrayed as yesterday, 31 GMs would have been clamoring around, even tripping over themselves trying to trade a first round pick for him and then sign him to a very costly long term deal, most of it in guaranteed bonus money. I guess not!!!😁 Don't worry, despite your HUGE mistake wrt your take on the situation, your value as a poster has NOT decreased even one iota, at least not to me. You are AOK in my opinion! 👍👍👍👍👍

Yes, that 3-1 start must have convinced them to cough up such a heavy price LOL!!! Not everyone.

Wow a 6th round pick. That seems like a low price to pay for a hard working all time great.

Did you know that Richard Sherman recently signed with Tampa Bay, supposedly at the urging of Brady. Do you think it is possible that Belichick might have told Brady that he was going to release Gilmore? I am not saying that he did, but I view this as a possibility.

I am not sure I'm willing to say that Cordy Glenn was a better OT than Riley Reiff. Also, DeCastro was a very good guard before he got hurt. There is obviously more to drafting than taking someone who is "good." The idea is to build a winning team. I'm aware that hindsight is 2020, but we could have come away with an excellent QB and at least 2 blockers.We could even have accomplished this while trading down for extra picks. In those days, all the Bills did was draft well enough to keep from having the 1st pick. We were simply NOT going to win. The record says it all.

Why? Because YOU think this so it has to be true. I doubt that you are above error. Really no need for comments like that AD.

Excuse me, did you or did you not imply that I was fond of drafting Mike Williams and Flowers? We have both been on this board for quite some time. Why the sudden need to get sanctimonious?

Well, I am not doubting his talent. I did say that he was a waste of a top 10 pick and our record reflects this. We were playing with a subpar QB and an OL that sucked. Now we have a solid OL (which is getting better), a GREAT QB, and the best head coach and GM that we ever had (imo). I simply make the case that Gilmore was not what this team needed back then and we are doing fine without him now.

Mike Williams was a bad pick. I say it now and I said it then. In fact, my signature on this board in those days was "Draft McKinney" so no, I do not condone drafting overweight RTs with a serious ankle injury at all, let alone with the #4 pick. Flowers just sucked, and we even traded up to get him but fear not....we also took Whitner at #8 along with Ashton Youboty and Ko Simpson in that draft. Those were our first 4 picks and we actually traded UP to do this. There were 3 DBs in the first 3 rounds. Were you fond of this draft?

You are seriously telling me that he played hard at the end?

At NE he played as if he cared. Do you also want to give Whitner another try? He too was quite useful and certainly not a waste of a draft pick and cap space, no? 😂

Alot more than Gilmore. Plus, they even TRIED to win and went all out. They didn't dog it half the time like Gilmore.

I hear ya but lets focus on wins. How many games did he win for us and how are we doing without him? Gilmore never wanted to be here to begin with, Screw him. Jmo.

Please Beane, PLEASE pass on Gilmore!!! We already wasted tens of millions of cap space on him and it got us nowhere!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!