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The argument you will generally find against Willis (on this board) is not that he is the sole source of the problem. But that he isn't helping matters due to his lack of effort and hunger.

And how long will that motivation last ? 2 games ? He plays well for a couple of games after being challenged/called out in some way, shape or form. My these I mean: the challenge by Travis for a starting job, Mularkey's statement about him not hitting holes hard, A Train playing well (which was followed by WM's good performance against Jax). So now we need Marv to mention his 'dancing' for him to play a couple of more good games. He is just not self-motivated guys. He may have talent but talent means squat if it does not translate into consistent performance. I have never been a lover/hater of WM, but the SD game put me firmly in the 'hater' camp much as I dislike such extreme labeling people use on this board. If KellyTFBD makes logical arguments, he is a lover. if someone calls him out for his dancing, he/she is a 'hater'.

I think, and have stated after last week's game, that this is WM's last year with the Bills.

I agree that it is not a top priority. But what I am saying is that there is no harm in keeping an eye out for a good rb in rounds 2-4 if a good player is not available at a need position. Stats maybe on WM's side and perhaps he has done well in the past purely on talent (I didn't see him play in the past seasons). My gripe is against his seeming lack of effort and his penchant for taking GAMES off. Consider how many complaints we have had against him - he doesn't hit the hole hard enough, he is not good at blitz pick-ups, he dances too much, doesn't have that burst.....

I am officially on the side of looking out for a WM replacement. I am not biased towards running styles. I am advocating finding someone different because WM is not consistent. He seems to play well when he has competition breathing down his neck. Yes sure, competition makes everyone better but I want someone who is self motivated and gives it his all. WM looks great in a couple of games and absolutely disappears in others. I want to know that when (not if) we make out superbowl appearance, we have a back who will fight for yardage till the last whistle is blown - with NO excuses. Now that I have seen all games this season, I am not sure WM is that back.

I choose to disagree. The point of having different types of players who are good at their position is to keep the opposing D off balance. Right now, in a tough situation, the opponent pretty much knows that JP will be looking for Evans as he is the only one consistently making clutch catches. PP and Royal make them occasionally so the opponents gamble which has been working well so far. We really have one real threat - Evans and maybe JP with the two scrambles for first down yesterday. How difficult is it to defend against these limited options ? Evans has done very well considering the attention he receives and I am confident he will shine even more when we have a good #2 WR and a semblance of a running game (WM just doesn't seem to have a will to play - I believe he will not be a Bill next year).

He was double covered a lot. If we had another receiver who could consistently come open, it would give us more options in the passing game. Lee can be the deep and intermediate threat whereas this other can be a possession receiver.

Thanx for the vote of confidence.

Not sure it is very unfair. I have watched at least 2 games of the Giants (one earlier int he beginning of the season and one last weekend) and I seriously doubt his arm strength and accuracy. I said the same about Grossman towards the beginning of the season and was laughed off especially by people in my office. I do agree with your second para. I think JP is doing a lot more with a lot less than Eli has around him. As a side note, wasn't it in the off-season that Eli took some informal coaching from someone outside the Giants organization and that pissed his coaches off ? These things catch up with you....

Think he will want to come back as #2 to LE ? Hope he realizes that his days as a solid #1 are gone, perhaps he wouldn't mind playing the rest of his career with the team that drafted him. Will we want him back ? I for one wouldn't mind welcoming him back if he is past his bickering.

Truth be told, even though the Kiwanuka play was critical, Manning didn't help the cause any by his really inaccurate throwing. The boy just doesn't look like he has even a hint of flame in his belly (let alone a fire). In the post-game press conference, Coughlin called out Manning for that throw and I think it was entirely wrong for Coughlin to do that. Way to earn the respect of your team, Tom !

Hey, I will play: - JP was lucky that Royal caused a fumble on the noodle-armed interception - If he hadn't shovel passed it, he would have been sacked and his numbers wouldn't look so good - Parrish was actually out of bounds. If we didn't get the lucky call, we wouldn't have this discussion - The coaches don't trust his throwing so went ultra-conservative on offense to end the first half. Did I miss any ? cuing .... DeLuca ....

I read into the original post that this was a comparison of QBs from the same draft class so Young won't count. I would pick JP over BenR also but not sure yet over Rivers. The question would be good if both JP and Rivers had comparable talent around them.

No kidding. Eli looked bad in the 4 Q of the Giants' loss today. His arm looked weak and his throws were off target even with little to no pressure. I am glad that we have a QB who, atleast in the past two weeks, has shown to be tougher in the 4Q than the rest of the game. As for the upcoming Chargers game, Rivers has a strong supporting cast with our run D matching up very badly against LT. I am hopeful, however, that the coaching staff devises a game plan to keep it close and put the team in a position to pull off yet another 4Q victory.

But that implies we have to live with him for the next 10 also.

Well, it does give you a better draft pick and is thus better for the franchise.

I do think, however, that Rivers has a much stronger supporting cast than E Manning does. This is not in support of Eli, I thought he looked really bad last night with his (in)accuracy.

Should have signed him two weeks back when his value would have been the least it could be.

Thanx. I hope we continue to keep penalties to a minimum. The receivers and TEs better not drop balls especially on key plays.

True. But not having seen those games, do you have a quick summary of what the Texans did ? Run more, pass more, stack the line, trick plays ... ? Thanx.

E Manning was awful last night. He was inaccurate even when there was no pressure on him. It looked like he lost his contact lenses.

You went a bit overboard with your criticism of GLee. The only thing wrong is his post is his reference to a racial slur. Apart from that, Robinson's response is the kind of actions that separate the classy guys from the others. You said that 'all we saw was a comment'. Well, part of being a player/celebrity/whatever is that you are doomed to be judged by most people based on the words you utter in public. His non-acceptance of his team's incompetence in holding on to the lead is what is pathetic. He chose his words very badly and I think fans of the Bills are totally justified in calling him out for that. Gotta love the internet ? Sure, no one has asked to be in a fist fight with Robinson and gone beyond accusing Robinson of being a sore loser. Nothing wrong with saying that esp on a fan board of the other team.

Yes, the last time I was so exhilarated was Flutie's touchdown against the Jaguars on a broken play. Don't ask me the year or score.

I vote for Deluca too. That comment took the cake ! Winning hurts the franchise cos we lose a high first round pick ????