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With JP and Evans, the common complaint was that they are one-trick ponies. But that was one more trick than what we are currently witnessing. Kinda sad

Some argue that not much will change with a HC change in mid-season. My argument is that things cannot get measurably worse. If anything, it will send a message of accountability. If players like Dockery and Walker were let go in the off-season for being ineffective (especially at the salary being paid), then DJ should be no different. At this point, he is adding no value to the team and is presiding over the regression of the O and even our once-vaunted ST.

Much as I hate to acknowledge what you wrote is true, it probably is. In the coming off-season, there will be yet another marketing gimmick (new coach, 1 star FA signing) to sell tickets again. At some point, the fans should say "I will buy the season tickets once you prove that you have put a competitive and winning product on the field". And also this 'move the team' bluff will be called. RW is making good money off of the team, there is little reason or appetite for him to move. And if ticket sales fall, the value of the team will go down making a move even more difficult.

I have to wonder what happened to that league leading returner we knew and loved so much. It was very evident after several seasons that he is not cut out to be a WR but his value as a returner was very high. But this year, he is neither returning well nor making any good decisions back there. Make no mistake - he is one of the reasons we lost yesterday but not the sole reason. With the limited success the Browns were having on O, it would not have taken much to win yesterday's game despite Parrish's bone-headed plays. I truly believe his having been on the trading block created a major dis-incentive for him to play well. Not using it as a justification but this seems to be another case where we have to stick to using him as we have slim options. Perhaps April should just tell him to fair catch every ball and just go down immediately.

They wouldn't need one either ...

Thread title is misleading. Key words above are "should consider'

Priceless !!! In any case, for the life of me I cannot recall Trent talking smack. I can go with Red's recollection above though I find it amusing that Fowler would talk badly about anybody's D-Line.

Or more worriedly - how many Skooby clones are out there ?

There is not a Ghost of a Chance that Rush would buy the Bills. But if they do show The Big Money, we will know that they have a lot of Bravado. They may help us fans Turn the Page and get out of this Twilight Zone of losing and may get One Little Victory and be back in the Limelight ...

Are you kidding ? There is plenty where that came from ...

And 2005 which was JP's 'worst' season stats-wise: 8 GS, 113-228-1340 yards, 50% completion, 8 TDs, 8 INTs, rating = 65

JP 21-31, 2 TDs, O INT, 1 lost fumble

We are a desperate team ! I vote no to this. He is one of the few good players we have, we will need his experience in the coming years and a drafted player next year will take another year to be useful. So I rather not give up a solid performer in exchange for two+ years of inexperience/risk

Welcome SP. Another reason why TBD rocks.

Not denying about the coaching staff. It is just that his comments came across to me as a bit too hoity-toity. And reading the press, I forgot that they lost to the Saints. Heard Tomlin, John Harbaugh make such holier-than-thou statements ?

Oops sorry. I was washed up in the hype around Ryan and the Jets.

Easy for him to take this tone when his team is unbeaten. While I like his attitude, I will hold off on the devil worship till he shows he can win consistently.

Desperation, creativity call it what you want but I agree that we absolutely had to attempt to fix this major problem. As a side note, I was wondering if it is too late this season to train Maybin for LB duties considering Schobel and Kelsay are doing well & we have Denney also.

Chicken and egg kinda situation. The lack of deep passing threat allows opposing Ds to 'stack the box' so to speak thus putting more pressure on an already under-talented and inexperienced bunch of guys who have had little time to gel. Throw in the pressure of the no huddle and you see why the disaster is unfolding as it has. For those reasons alone, replacing Trent will do little to help the offensive output unless Fitz succeeds in establishing the semblance of a medium-deep passing game thus relieving the OL somewhat.

Curious thought. As an example, the Bears could use an impact WR as him esp with Cutler throwing. Hester has done well this season but TO would help tremendously. Problem is what do the Bears give us in return ? They don't have linemen to spare this year which we need so perhaps only possibility would be a draft pick.

Bad attitude from somebody who calls him(her) self a fan. This is equivalent to wanting the bills to lose so we get a higher draft pick. In any case, I am not sure it will take a 1-15 season to get Jauron fired. A string of lackluster performances by the players and being out of the playoff hunt in November will do it, IMHO.

I absolutely thought that the players have quit in the 3rd Q of the Miami game. It did not look like they were even trying to make plays. Save for Kelsay, Schobel and Parrish, pretty much everyone was going through the motions. Owens' head was hanging so low he could have choked himself on his shoe laces. The players general demeanor, the look in their eyes, their effort (or lack thereof) indicated that the team just does not believe it can win. And this was against the (then) winless Dolphins. I was absolutely certain that 'things' would be shaken up this week following that utter debacle but not surprisingly nothing appears to have changed.

If I have a guarantee that he will have a Favre like career (post-Atlanta) then sure I would trade for him.

Didn't Parcells indirectly answer that question this past Sunday ?

Yeah it will be fun to speculate how many pro bowlers we can stuff into this team to make him look like a good coach.