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We haven't seen enough of him to make a drastic opinion one way or the other regarding his adequacy as an NFL QB. From what I saw in preseason, he seemed to display accuracy and a decent arm. Those are the strengths we have seen till now. I hesitate to beat down on the guy for his pitiful performance in the Browns game. As an aside, it is quite telling that Marrone is ready to start him over Flynn. Even though Flynn has not had enough time with the playbook, his experience should have propelled him to start over an UDFA rookie QB. But early this week, Tuel started taking more first team reps than him. Not a good sign.

I vote for your idea

HFBD, mead. have a great day

I wouldn't go that far. After all he was an undrafted QB. Given time, training, he may develop into a backup in 2-3 years time. I am just not sure we will continue to have an open roster spot for him.

And welcome to threads that have "we should have traded him when he had the chance, the FO sucks, Nix is asleep ...."

One guard who was available and comes to mind is Vasquez, who signed with the Broncos. I am pretty sure there were at least 2 other options in FA who would have been better than Brown and Legursky. But, I agree the draft would have been another option, 3rd or 4th round pick at a minimum.

No problem Not getting a quality replacement for Levitre

I have been a Nelson fan even when Donald (who?) Jones was our #2. When he was not retained in the off-season, I gave the benefit of doubt to the front office thinking that his injury was more serious than we knew about. But it is now apparent that he can still play and would have been a great #3 for us now with his penchant for converting critical downs. In my mind he was a WR/TE hybrid with good hands. Why do you say that ?

Aa long as its not Gravity. How such a plotless, drama-less, over-acted piece of nonsense garnered such terrific reviews and $$s will forever be a mystery to me. Or should I have posted this in the unpopular opinions thread?

I am a glass half empty kinda guy. Took the max number of weeks expected + 1 week bye = Dec 1 vs Falcons.

I am betting he is soaking up the knowledge and will come back in December as a much better QB. Out on a limb, I am saying he will play very well but we will miss the playoffs due to the losses we are currently accumulating.

I agree with much of what you said re: Pettine and Hackett. But the difference is that Pettine has a lot more experience on his side of the ball. Several first/high draft picks and those who have excelled. He has put them in positions to succeed. Yesterday, we missed Manny Lawson. Hughes does well in the rush and run but struggles in coverage. As you said, some of the mistakes we made were very very costly as typically happens with a sharp QB like Brees. With Hackett, OTOH, he is shackled first with a rookie QB and now another who is at best a backup. Yesterday's game showed why Lewis struggled to find a roster. He is good in spots and has a live arm but is quite inaccurate, makes mental mistakes and looked skittish yesterday with ball security. While I like his moxie and his toughness, he was a large part of the reason we lost. Finally, I have some major complaints against Marrone - player discipline, choosing when to challenge and clock management. We have to get the penalties under control. As noted elsewhere on this board, at least two penalities (Chandler and Mario) could have been 14 point swings. The terrible end to the first half is when NO turned the screws on the Bills. We are not good enough to give that team such wide openings to drive their offensive juggernauts through.

Why did we not take a shot downfield ?

Even with the typo, this is correct

I am willing to cut him slack considering his level of (in)experience and beinf thrown into the fire with little warning. Apart from that, he had little time to throw against Miami. It seemed like there were defenders in his face very quickly. That can surely rattle a young QB. Also, with CJ and Fredie both at less than full strength, he did not have many options. The Saints game will be interesting as their D can be gashed occasionally and if we take advantage of the few opportunities we get, the game will be interesting. The next point is always true, but more so against a O powerhouse like NO - don't fall too far behind early.

(Little voice in my head: " this should be fun")

Like many others, I confess to being enamoured by JP Losman and thought the Bills had finally found their guy.

Umm, Drew Bledsoe in 2002 ? http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BledDr00.htm

First of all, you need to fix the thread title to be more descriptive. Secondly, the debacle of last night falls on Frazier's shoulders. He should never have put Freeman in that situation. And worse, he shoudln't have stuck with him throughout the game when it was eminently obvious that the guy looked utterly lost out there in the first half. If it were possible, Frazier should be benched for the next game.

Belichick would make my list before the Har-bro's just cos of his lack of class. There are hard hits and there are dirty, mean spirited hits. Spikes, Suh and Meriweather fall firmly in the latter category and I would be ashamed if they ever played for the Bills

Gruden is right. Freeman is juat not ready. Those ragging on Marrone should see this utter cluster#### of coaching from the Vikes

What an incredibly boring MNF. Imcompetence on both sides. This is truly horrible.

My list: Brandon Spikes Vince Wilfork Suh Titus Young

I agree. We were playing close in every game this year. When we get a win, it is time to celebrate while acknowledging the deficiencies of the team. We are fighting well this year with an ex-PS QB, 2 hurt RBs, a recovering secondary. But the OP is correct, there is still a lot of negativity on this board. You can pretty much never tell a Monday after a win from that after a loss.

1. Agree about Aaron Williams 2. and 6. I disagree as I thought both Dareus and Kyle played good games. And for those thinking he should have run in the fumble, I disagree. He did the right thing by securing the ball. He is not paid to run with the ball and bad things could have happened. He did his job. 3. Marrone is a work in progress but he is a rookie HC in the NFL. He deserves some slack. Keeping the team together when the Dolphins had the momentum is huge. He has had some questionable decisions particularly in clock management (in earlier games too) but he is far from a disaster. He is having the guys play hard and will improve, IMHO 4. Mario made the big plays we brought him in for. It has been a long time since our D changed the outcome of the game I am surprised you gave no props to Fred Jackson. I think he played his rear off and ranks way up there in my list of all time favorite Bills. Guy is just too good and plays hard.