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Because they will need to decide their QB strategy for next season and beyond. If they wait for next season to find out about JG, then it is too late to fix if there is a problem. If Brady continues to not perform, there is really no advantage in continuing with him. Rest assured, there will be a few teams in the league still willing to trade for him next season. In that scenario, if Brady continues his career with another team or hangs it up remains to be seen.

Pats* will need to know what they have in Garrapolo before next season. I think Brady, being who he is, will get several more games this season esp if Thompkins and Dobson play. If he continues stinking it up as in the Chiefs games, I am willing to bet he gets benched and JG gets a few games to show what he does (or does not) have. Interesting turn of events for sure in the AFCE. Race to see who is not the best, but worst starting QB.

Be that as it may, but at least one fumble and one interception were almost rookie-type mistakes. On one INT, there were three red jerseys and only one Edelman farther away from where the ball ended up. I was sitting thinking that it is one thing to speculate that Edleman ran the wrong route but there really was no route for him to run which did not intersect with at least 2 Chiefs defenders. Brady clearly looked rattled and unable to maintain/regain composure.

Why are you bringing up articles from May 2013 ? And starting a new thread for them ?

Touche Yet, I am not convinced Sullivan knows either.

Works for me.

That may be your opinion. But true "personnel men" in the NFL know not to judge a pick from the first 4 games of his career. They may disagree with Whaley's assessment but they are unlikely to 'snicker' at the choice.

With the Defense we have, all the O needs to do is score 24-27 points consistently and win the TOP. We will win more than we lose if the O can accomplish that, which should not be a problem if Orton just manages the games.

Considering the part you originally quoted, I was not going to give Sullivan an extra click on his article. But thanks for the quote above. I still stand by my comments re: Sullivan

Not if they win 10 games first

Sullivan could have taken the opportunity to write an optimistic or even a cautiously optimistic article. Instead of giving credit to the coaching staff to make a tough decision, he proceeds to dig up all that he sees wrong and further pile on to the FO and coaching staff. "As I understand it, personnel men around the NFL are still snickering at the deal." . Really ? First he complains about EJ and when the coaches make a surprisingly early decision to pull him, he still complains using points which are rather irrelevant to the current turn of events. People here may agree with what he wrote because he is not technically wrong. But doom and gloom gets pretty boring and irritating.

Man the AFCE looks terrible right now. In fact, looking at Brady's performance against the Raiders (who they struggled to beat) and last night has me wonder if there is even one decent QB in the AFCE right now.

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What terrible clock management by the Chiefs. Could have gone for the jugular and the stupid conservative play calling may come back to bite the Chiefs. Could have gone for a TD

If he made the decision first and then told Whaley, to me it points to a good relationship. You want the coach to make big decisions before checking in with the front office. Whaley must have empowered him enough to allow him to make the football decision.

My single major complaint against Marrone ( I overlooked some questionable decisions last year due to it being his rookie year) has been the penalties. Going back to last year, the O and D have this nasty habit of inopportune penalties. As for EJ, my support was more based on hope than knowledge of his college career. Perhaps it's for the best of the team but it was clear in the last two games that he was in over his head. If he continued to play as against the Dolphins, we could have won yesterday. For now, Go Bills, Go Orton

Truth be told, there were at least a couple of occasions since last draft that I was tempted to beat you over the (virtual) head for your extreme opinion re: EJ. But I am here to admit that so far you look to be right. I also remember you praising the Marrone hire (I had no opinion on it), so I am now hoping that you are right on that as well.

As long as Orton can leisurely throw to the 2+ WRs sauntering freely in the open, the answer is yes.

Likewise, I would have expected the bye week to be the pivotal moment but this came a lot sooner than expected. EJ regressed too fast for the coaches to sit around and do nothing. At least we will now know how bad our QB situation really is.

I raised the same question in a different thread. Hope we dont have a case of 'careful what you wish for'. We now have an advantage in the Lions game but Vikes and Jets will be interesting.

As God for sure doesn't play dice with the universe, perhaps he/she plays marbles. Or it may be one of those I lost as a Bills fan. Or this other mission could have something to do with it. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-29357438 So many possibilities without needing to speculate on Martian jesters trying to confuse dumb humans.

That will be one way to perk up everybody's mood. That is a good point. Hopefully not bad injuries.

Be that as it may, coaching philosophy regarding EJ is unlikely to change in the next few weeks after 1.25 seasons. For one reason or the other, I don’t think EJ is inherently inaccurate as evidenced by some good throws this season (The Grimes breakup on Watkins, Chandler sideline tip-toe etc). I think there is two problmes with him: (1) a fraction of panic that sets in between the time he decides on the target and then proceeds to throw the ball. He feels the need to throw immediately as opposed to taking that one extra fraction of a second to set and make the right throw (2) Mechanics – still needs to set his feet and power his throwing motion. Maybe this is the definition of ‘the game is too fast for him’ Anyway FWIW, not sure if these are fixed first (if at all) or does the coaches patience run out before that.

As a companion piece to this thread from just a couple of weeks back, let us break away from EJ discussion and think about when you expect the Bills to win its next game. IMHO, Lions on the road (decent D and good O), Pats* (always have our number) are tough to win with how we are playing. So, I think our next win comes against the Vikes at home. (Consider this thread free of EJ discussion. Even though it is inticately related to this topic, you can indulge in one of the 20 other threads on that topic. )

After the game yesterday and seeing the prevailing sentiment on this board, I too first thought that EJ should be benched now till Orton proves to be worse. But, giving it more thought, I think it may be better to (as painful as it may sound), stick with EJ till the bye week. We are 1/4th into the season - if Orton starts next week, it will take about 2-3 games to understand how he compares to EJ due to rust, opponent etc. If he is worse, the what does Marrone do ? Go back to EJ and do the RJ/Flutie two step ? I think whatever and whenever (and if) Marrone makes a switch, it has to be one-way for this season. Because not only will that resonate for this season, it will for 2015 as well. My suggestion (objectively and not emotionally) is to stick it out with EJ and allow him to further sink or figure out a way to swim. At the bye week, make a final decision for the rest of this season. That will give Orton sufficient number of games to show what he (still) has. Then we will truly know what the depth of the doo-doo is for next season.