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Either way, not a big hurt if the staff doesn't want him.

Thought I could sneak one in there and see who catches it. You win !

Orton is about as good a a backup as there is in the NFL. a 0.500 career who can keep a team afloat when a more capable starter is hurt. He will be gone if he continues to want starter level money even if it is lower-tier starter. What is more interesting to me is what the staff does with EJ. Does Whaley stand true to his word and trust he made the right pick ? Lot of moving parts and we have no idea how the situation will shake out. A few things that can define plans: - Does a high profile QB get cut/ traded e.g. Eli Manning, Brees, Kaep, RG III - Does Orton want the same level of salary - Does the FO think there is a hidden gem in the 2nd round

Man, this place is a treasure trough of TBDisms. In response to perceived loss of arm strength by Peyton Manning... We get this suggestion: "he needs the Brady training regiment which includes a high dose of HGH" http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/174453-is-peyton-manning-quietly-playing-his-last-season/page__st__40

Yea, but its easier to understand when DC Tom says it

I think he SHOULD be playing his last season but don't necessarily think he WILL. For most of this past month, he has not looked his old self. Perhaps it is arm fatigue setting in, perhaps his abilities are sliding. Be that as it may, considering the great things he has achieved, I think he should call it a career and go out when he is still remembered as one of the greatest. If his arm/abiities are shot for good and he continues to play for another season or two, he risks tarnishing his legacy. His ego will ofcourse make that decision for him but if he is smart, he will consider the above point and save his body from another season of punishment. He will have plenty of coaching or boradcast booth offers.

It is indeed a serious question - is the great Manning's career over? This is not a single game in isolation. It has been building over the last few weeks.

Speculation/rumor that trade to Titans is done: http://national.sunt...nnessee-titans/ Take it with a grain of salt though, cos there is no real evidence in the above article. It suggests that the deal is done and Cutler is benched to protect him while the details are worked out.

I would look for the guy with the Timbits tshirt

While I haven't been the most ardent supporter of CJ, I am interested if his playing helps our pathetic offense. I expect him to be a bit rusty in the intial going. If anything, it is good if he can play in this game and get the rust out before the playing the Pats*.

Lets not de-rail this thread with that discussion yet again. It is Orton unless he gets hurt. A switch is not happening.

If it is a choice between these two, Eli or no one. We have a defense to get past Eli's turnovers and carry him till December. Then we are good to go till the superbowl. In a fantasy world, if the following were available, I would choose Brees over Matt Ryan over EliM but never Cutler.

My argument was not against him as a possible OC for the Bills. I thought the poster was saying he was a good HC and I disagreed with that thought.

Nice.

What has Trestman shown you that says he is a good HC ? If he was, the team wouldn't look so lost and disinterested past the half way mark this year. Their performances have been lackluster and the team has lately been an embrassment. Cutler for sure is a huge problem, but a HC should be able to get his team to transcend a sucky QB and atleast have them trying to win.

A win against the Pats*, on the road, to end the season, with a QB like Orton, will be monumental for this Bills franchise. After that, even if the Bills don't make the playoffs due to math, I would truly consider it a successful season. But, if there is anything like a 'trap' game, the one against the Raiders is it.

He may be referring to Trestman and Philbin

No hard feelings. Personally, the Pack will still be my second fav team. Love watching Rodgers in general and that pass to clinch the game vs the Pats* was priceless as was the expression on Tommy boy's face. So doom and gloom after a defeat is not just among Bills fans ... Dude you have a mighty fine team which will go far in the playoffs. Maybe this loss came at the right time so that McCarthy can perp for the teams that think the Bills 'gave them a blueprint to beat the Pack'.

The only mention of the Bills in that article is "The Oakland Raiders, Tennessee Titans, Buffalo Bills and St. Louis Rams all need quarterback help.". In no way does it say that the Bills are interested in said trade or that we would have the 'top position' in a trade scenario. So, no, linking an article by itself is not substantiation enough. I realize full well that you have dragged me down from my high horse down to your level of trolling but am willing to play anyway. Would you recommend the 'King of Pick6 thread' ?

Tough to hear things from this high an elevation. But, can't help being rude, some people are just Schmucks.

The Bears are done. Nobody is even trying anymore. Embarrassing.

Impotent

If Schwartz gets a HC gig, we can hire Philbin as OC and Rex Ryan as DC. What a merry party of ex-AFCE coaches it will be.

Now if only we could get Kiko back for the NE* game ....

So you are in favor of legitimizing unsubstantiated threads ?