Sound_n_Fury

go take a cold shower....

What a concept!

Gregg Easterbrook....

Or here (better IMO): http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=166304

While it's way too early to make a definitive call, I think MM might be the most effective "old school" leader the Bills have had since Chuck Knox. Marv's approach was great for the team he had, but it might also have been more of a right place, right time, right personnel thing than the fundamental "follow me men, we're going to kick some ass" approach I increasingly see from MM.

Maybe, maybe not. IMO, there's some intangible missing with the guy when it comes to competitiveness. He makes more dumb mistakes / comes up small under pressure than any marquee QB I've seen in the last decade. My pick's Jonathan Ogden, BTW.

When Payton wins a big game by himself, I'll agree with you.

"I always say a sack is better than a big gain. I guess I just come from the old school.” Sorta sums up the past two years, doesn't it!

Sarcasm on, right?

You got that right. I'll pass on Chuck's schtick...

Training camp hasn't even started--and the salary cap trading frenzy's just getting underway--and we're getting ****-assed comments like this about BTG. Golisano's one of the sharpest businessmen in upstate NY, but hey, he didn't sign some over-the-hill UFA's to stupid money so his plan must be to run the team into the ground...and BTW, he' got his eye on doing the same to the Bills someday down the road???? The "caption the photo" dude has more sense than that....

I have no quarrel with you, Good Sir Knight! Look you stupid bastard....

The boy just needs to get the Tulane experience out of him... I hope he continues to gain confidence in his O-line protection this Friday.

You're right...two successive unabated runs at the QB. Couldn't believe the OT did the exact same thing twice in a row.

Lucky dog. Any highlights, standout numbers, surprises etc. Sounds like it was a great night, http://www.boston.com/ae/music/articles/20...ut_of_the_park/

Exactly. He got his 15 minutes. Now he can go back to being a security guard again.

I sense a great deal of frustration in your posts on Peters. What gives? Peters was a guy who didn't fit NFL measurables for a TE, so teams passed on him during the draft. If I remember right, he was one of the priority UFA signings after the draft concluded. The Bills took a flyer on him and it's looking like a gamble that's paying off. Pat Williams was the same kind of deal. There are dozens of UDF's running around the league that have had very good careers, and some have become stars, including our own London ("too short") Fletcher.

Exactly. How do you explain Pat Williams, a guy who just landed big bucks, let alone a player like Peters. Scouts make mistakes, players see the light, **** happens.

The Wonderlic's biggest challenge isn't the difficulty of the questions, but the time limit imposed to answer them (50 questions in 12 minutes). It's primary use is not to judge pure intelligence but to determine how quickly a player can grasp concepts (i.e., the game plan, on-the-fly formation adjustments, technique instruction, etc.). Many players score poorly on the test simply because they have problems completing it in the time allowed. Does that mean they've got below average IQs? No way. Does it mean they might not be proficient test takers? Perhaps. I haven't seen Peters make an inordinate amount of mental or assignment mistakes for a young player. What he scored on a 12-minute test taken two years ago doesn't seem as relevant at the amazing athletic plays we've seen from him so far as a Bill.

He played about three-quarters of the snaps, including a few series against KGB.

I think you're way, way off base. From the moment Peters went into the game, I decided to focus on watching him and him alone. He showed very good pass pro technique, IMO. He moved his feet well in mirror and slide and kept whichever DE was in front of him (including KGB) sealed to the outside. He was at his best against speed rushes and looked like he needed more work taking on the bull rush. Is he spot starter materal yet. No. He didn't appear physical enough and was sealing more than driving defenders on most running plays. He looks like he needs to get stronger, but that might compromise his agility. But for two games in, he's way ahead of where I thought he'd be. As to the tone of your post (one enchilada, indeed ), "Lighten up Alice." Maybe its fun to poke at his Wonderlic, but there've been a lot of other talented players around who've made the same errors you pointed out. Funny how their IQ's weren't called into question, though. Bottom line: Peters outplayed a lot of backup guys who spent their whole college careers playing O-line. In fact, Bennie Anderson looked a lot shakier than Peters, IMO. Peters is looking more interesting all the time.

So were the GB press: http://www.jsonline.com/packer/rev/aug05/349845.asp Special teams struggle all night Unit sets negative tone early in game By RICK BRAUN rbraun@journalsentinel.com Posted: Aug. 20, 2005 Orchard Park, N.Y. - As if the Green Bay Packers defense doesn't have enough to worry about, it was given another problem Saturday evening courtesy of the special-teams units. Simply put, the special-teams coverage units continually put the defense in a bind. And it started right at the outset, helping set a negative tone for the Packers' 27-7 defeat at the hands of the Buffalo Bills. After the Packers' offense drove 75 yards for a touchdown on an impressive first series, any momentum they might have hoped to establish disappeared almost immediately. On Ryan Longwell's ensuing kickoff, return man Rashard Lee broke through a sizable crack in the middle and raced off for a 69-yard return. Longwell finally shoved Lee out of bounds at the Packers' 27. Nine plays later, the Bills were back to even. With the Bills leading, 10-7, in the second quarter, the Packers' punt-coverage team had a chance to make a big play. Instead, a crucial mistake gave the Bills great field position once again. When B.J. Sander punted 44 yards from the Packers' 18-yard line, Todd Franz drilled return man Drew Haddad and forced a fumble. Franz came out of the ensuing scramble with the ball at the 50-yard line. But Franz's effort was negated because rookie Roy Manning was penalized as an ineligible man downfield. Forced to punt again, Sander hit a 45-yarder that had 3.63 seconds of hang time. It wasn't exactly a line drive, and Haddad caught it at the Buffalo 42 and returned it 37 yards to the Packers' 21, where Sander submarined him with a solid low tackle. Five plays later, Willis McGahee swept 6 yards around left end for a touchdown and a 17-7 Buffalo lead. Things snowballed from there. On the night, the Bills totaled 95 yards on five punt returns, an average of 19 per return. "I don't have any comment until I see the film," said a frustrated John Bonamego, the Packers' special-teams coach. "We just sucked." Midway through the third quarter, Sander got off a nice 50-yarder with 4.48 seconds of hang time. Still, Jim Leonhard, the former Wisconsin Badger who is trying to make the Bills' roster as an undrafted free agent, managed a 17-yard return. Midway through the fourth quarter, Leonhard gathered in a 42-yard punt by Sander that had a solid 4.54 seconds of hang time and still got a 9-yard return to the Bills' 18. Then the capper came with 4:55 left in the game and the Packers already behind by the final margin. Sander boomed a 53-yarder with 4.21 seconds of hang time. Undaunted, Leonhard caught it at the Buffalo 11 and ripped off a 31-yard return before Sander finally threw him down on the sideline. "It's just one of those things," Sander said. "I played against him when he was at Wisconsin, too, and he took one back on me. So I had to give him a little payback." Sander finished the night with six punts for a gross average of 44.3. But with the Bills running through the coverage teams, Sanders' net was a dismal 28.5. Most of that was not his fault. "I'm trying," Sander said. "There were still some punts I wasn't happy with and I'm going to watch some film and see what I did wrong and keep working to improve." One of the things Sander did "wrong" was have his night come against the Bills. Buffalo finished No. 1 overall in special teams last season under Bobby April, tying an NFL record with five touchdown returns. "We got exploited tonight on special teams," said long snapper Rob Davis. "Coach congratulated us last week on a good game and it was a shame to see how we came back this week. We knew they were a good special-teams outfit, but I thought we were up for the challenge. We have to look at the film and see where the breakdown came and go from there." There will be plenty of film to study. "Buffalo was the No. 1-rated team in special teams last year, so we knew this was going to be a good challenge to measure where we were at special teams-wise," Sander said. "Obviously we've still got some work to do." How bad was it? Sander led special-teams players with two tackles. "Maybe I need to hit the ball a little bit higher or maybe I need to put it out on the sidelines a little bit more," Sander said. "When they're holding up like that, we've got to change something." The night was a stark contrast to a week earlier when Sander averaged 46 yards gross and 41.1 yards net thanks to strong coverage. "After a great week last week, I thought we were making some progress here," Packers coach Mike Sherman said. That obviously wasn't the case Saturday night.

Eric came back to the sidelines for the second half. Doesn't look too serious...

The tread so far o be he tries to do too much himself early in the game. He settled down a bit on drives 2-3, just like last week. He seems more accurate that in earlier appearences...at least 4 drops or he'd be 11 of 14 for the first half.