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I'll bite. I think this is bogus. But I think something has been up at OBD. I live in OP, and early last Saturday morning I noticed a limo parked outside a local coffee shop. The driver was standing outside drinking a cup of coffee from a different establishment, which led me to believe he was waiting for someone inside. I was heading into the coffee shop as it was, and the presence of the limo at that hour was very odd, so I wondered who I would see inside. Turns out it was a prominent Bills exec who, based on attire, looked to be headed somewhere out of town. To be clear, I don't know that the limo was for the Bills exec. (Both the limo and the exec were gone when I left the coffee shop.) I still think the Coughlin story here is bogus, but maybe the exec was entertaining -- on a day where it turns out Rex was out of town. Who knows.

Browns winning is a gift from the heavens. If we lose our next two we may as well lose them all and see how deshaun Watson looks next year.

I'm being serious in what will follow. I watched the Rex and rob thing last night. It's nice to know our head coach is sitting around playing with baseball cards. This is not to suggest that he is not entitled to a life or that he should work all the time. But I wondered whether belichick, Arians, Tomlin, etc. would be involved in such nonsense. Probably not. In any event, we've tried everything around here with no luck. So let's start the tank. And when we're done, pay the best coach we can find. It's not my money, but I wouldn't care of it takes $25m/year to get a guy like Bruce Arians. We waste time of money on Dareus, clay, etc. so why not burn it on a credible coaching staff?

Totally agree. Was thinking the same thing as I dejectedly left the stadium tonight. If we lose the next two we may as well lose them all. Cleveland is bound to lose at least once. Hopefully terry is thinking tank after his experience with the Sabres.

Agreed. Fat Karl cut and Dareus to rehab on the same day. Not a coincidence. Let's see what happens to manny Lawson next.

Totally agree on dime a dozen. He can have fun dropping the ball in a different uniform next year. Always open, but never sure handed.

This is not indicative of what will happen in the Deflategate appeal, but yesterday the appellate court that will decide that case slighted the trial judge. That kind of thing is rare, and it means that the judge is on the appellate court's radar. Again, it doesn't suggest a result in the case we care about, but it's interesting nonetheless.

This is sad news, but I'm grateful that I've had the chance to read your work over the years. I can get from my seat in the stadium to my house in about 15 minutes. Too often when I leave the stadium I'm shaking my head asking the question "how did that just happen?" By the time I get home I'm ready for your thread. Your work will be missed.

Seconded. I don't care of people are making idiotic cack about a billionaire or someone with two nickels to his or her name. I hope somebody can delete tha crap.

Those are a different kettle of fish. "For cause" basically means not fit to serve, whereas a peremptory challenge removes a juror fit to serve but who the challenger does not want to serve. Peremptories are limited, which is why the distinction is important.

Well done. I laughed out loud.

The juror would have to have a state of mind likely to preclude him or her from rendering an impartial verdict. I don't think the video alone would be enough to remove for cause. But others may feel differently.

actually a lot of it is good. Anonymity allows role who might not speak to an issue to chime in. I bet it happens a lot on football matters. Could be happening here too. I see some pretty good thoughts on this thread.

The concept you're alluding to is called justification. Basically, if you're not the aggressor in a fight you can respond with like force to protect yourself. Assuming that the football layers here didn't start the fight, the question might become whether the response was appropriate. Based on the videos I have my doubts on that point, but a complete picture of the events is needed to make that call.

All of this is very interesting information, and it may lead to problems for the victims of what appears to have been an assault. But assuming the info is correct, that theft or attempted theft occurred does not justify the violence that appears to have ensued. Maybe a better way of saying it is just because my mechanic overcharges me doesn't mean I can try to cave his face in.

No. 3 and 12. Agreed on the last sentence. It's a subjective judgment. Consider Andre Jenkins. When I google that guys story I think "disgusting human being" and "idiot." He, on the other hand, seems content to have taken a life bit out of his misguided sense of omertà. In any event, the problem for the guy we're discussing is that the price inevitably has to be paid. Eventually we'll see what the "bill" is here.

Not sure what you mean. We're bs'ing about whether our running back will be eligible to play football this year. Our running back is worried about a suspension, loss of income, and maybe even the temporary loss of his freedom. So while its noble for one to stick up for his friends, like any other action it has a "price." Here the price could be a significant one.

Yes. Accomplice liability.

Your code is respectable. Maybe stupid, too, but you're probably a great guy to be friends with. For real. The problem here is that the aftermath isn't fantasy, it's reality. For us the reality involves a running back and a game that falls somewhere between entertainment and passion. For the guy were discussing the reality involves much more serious consequences.

And now you know why victims are usually called "complainants." The rest of your comments don't merit a response.

Why not? Your point is that they're "interested" or biased witnesses because they got tuned up. Which is kind of the point. There wouldn't be a problem here if no such "tuning" occurred. The weight (or lackthereof) to be accorded the testimony of such witnesses is usually for a trier of fact.

i guess it is kind of how these things go. The next tale of combative victory in a police report will be the first such tale.

The first sentence raises an interesting point. Based on what we know (which is very, very little) I might disagree if this was a NY case. Im basing that on the TMZ video that, from what I read and am given to understand, shows our pro bowl running back throwing at least one punch. In my reading, the punch was described as a haymaker. The same player also apparently kicked someone who was on the floor/ground. Again, we hardly know any details, but I wouldn't close the door on accomplice liability because of those alleged actions. Hakim Scott would probably agree with you, however. In any event, not sure how it would play out under PA law. Interesting point to research.

I am not a PA lawyer, so can't comment on laws there. But as far as I recall in NY there are limits on the extent of the "deal" a defendant may receive. Without getting too technical, a plea can only "drop" a charge so far. So if a defendant faces a higher class of felony, he or she might not be able to plead to a lesser charge that would normally allow avoidance of prison.