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"We all know he can coach." -Rex Ryan

I'm glad somebody else feels this way. I'm a STH, had to leave the game after the first OT possession for church at 5 (I live in OP), and caught that part on the radio. I couldn't believe we punted. Our defense was getting steamrolled (again) and had to be exhausted by then. I was stunned. And to top it off, I had no idea about the 10 men on the field routine on what effectively was the game-clinching run until a minute ago. Before I found out my wife asked me about the game, and I explained that it was the game that will get our "defensive genius" head coach fired. We had a 300-yard passer, a 100-yard receiver, a 100-yard back, and another back who was over 90 yards when I left. We also scored 31 points in spite of our "bad weather kicker" missing basically the same kick twice. And we still found a way to lose. I'm genuinely torn whether to keep Tyrod - it would be easier to do worse than than him than it would be to do better than him next year. Before today I could have been talked into year three of Rex given some changes to the defensive staff and side of the ball. But not after today. We missed the playoffs because of our defense, it's time to find a new head coach, and to let him participate in the decision whether to keep Tyrod.

I think you're right about the value Tyrod would return. Ultimately I think Rex is toast. Pegula is a scientist by trade and probably a detail-oriented guy, and I suspect the disorganized nature of one of his highest-paid employees rubs him the wrong way. Assuming Rex is out, it seems logical to let the next coach make the call on Tyrod. Assuming the decision is to move on, I'd be surprised if the bills can't get something of value for him, and I think it makes sense to see if that value might be a qb that we like but that another team may have soured on,

This is just spitballing. Whaley is a creative guy and, assuming he's around this February, maybe some conversations like this will occur within the "brain"trust at One Bills Drive. Would you trade Tyrod for: Kirk Cousins straight up (assuming, of course, that Washington would consider the idea after Cousins's recent slide)? or either Broncos QB? I'm not a cousins fan, but I would do it. Siemian for me is a no absent a sweetener draft pick that Broncos would part with (assuming they are willing to take Tyrod on the first instance). Lynch ... is an interesting idea depending on how the Broncos/Elway/Kubiak feel about Tyrod.

I take it you're referring to Denver - New Orleans. Watch the replay. One defender put his hands on the long snappers back to keep him down while another defender jumped over the long snapper. The better question is why don't the bills try the same thing,

I expected this one when I clicked on the thread. I'm not a doctor, but I'm not sure that one must have the things of which you speak to sustain a groin injury. So, short answer, it is not such documented evidence. And I haven't seen any such evidence this season, either.

Don't let people like that ruin something you enjoy. It's an isolated incident. One has to be quite the schmuck to have brought a six-month-old to today's game, so consider the "source" of your problem.

Maybe, or maybe not. If (according to some on this board) John Clayton can "literally make things up" -- that is, lie --, then perhaps the Coughlin camp and others could engage in the same behavior. Or maybe everybody is right and Coughlin wants to be the next head coach at Alabama. Who knows.

This plus Tyrod. And where did Lorenzo Alexander come from? Wow.

From what I saw today they had the level of competence at QB that we became accustomed to since Flutie started his decline. I'll enjoy this one. I'd like to act like I've "been there before" with respect to beating the patriots in a meaningful game in Foxboro, but ... It's been awhile.

That call was wrong. Typical foxboro nonsense. Have to beat their 11, their tech guys, and the refs.

The bills' ortho gave an interview? I must have missed it. Not sure one way or the other that Rex and Whaley accurately related the advice that was given to them. Not sure how any of us could know.

Kevin Everett probably agrees with every word of this. Dez Bryant, Kevin Durant, Julian Edelman, and Julio jones probably will, too, when they read it. Also, how were you privy to the medical advice given with respect to shaq Lawson prior to the draft?

That's your opinion.

"Too" bad.

You have your opinion, I have mine. What's Doug Marrone up to these days? Also, try Googling Mike Shanahan and see what comes up about his dealings with Al Davis. Same thing for Ralph and Wade Phillips. And that's just off the top of my head.

Don't forget the food. And the fact that he answered to "Jim." And the fact that (you can do the work on this if you still doubt this) that the exec in question lives two miles from the coffee shop I mentioned. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck ...

The only one assuming anything is you. And it's your opinion that it would be dumb to meet with another coaching candidate while the vacancy is filled. For what it's worth, I doubt that Coughlin was here. (If I set up something like that, and if Coughlin is still in NJ, it would have been on a plane at the airport at Teterboro. Either way there is no reason for him to visit team facilities for that purpose until something is imminent.) But I don't doubt that the Pegulas have doubts about Rex. The football side of this organization has been nothing but an embarrassment to the Pegulas since the draft. The list of sins is long and well-known, so I won't repeat it here. At the core of most of those problems (the Shaq Lawson thing aside) is a failure of discipline and preparation. Like it or lump it our team looks like a joke after "winning the offseason" and after all of last year's bluster. I would not tolerate an associate making me look as Rex has made the Pegulas look to their partners and stakeholders. I also wouldn't be beyond embarrassing such a person if I felt that he or she had taken advantage of me. (That is, if I felt that my $27.5m hire in turn hired a horde of coaches so he wouldn't have to do much real work, thereby allowing the current mess to have exploded.) Maybe the Pegulas feel the same way, and maybe it isn't so dumb.

See above.

In other words you don't know one way or the other and you're assuming something based on what you believe to be standard operating procedure of other clubs. Understood.

He was the spitting image of Jim Overdorf, and when the barista said, "Order for Jim!" he picked it up. (For what it's worth it was two to-go cups of coffee -- in my opinion as a guy who goes there all the time, probably tall -- and some food.) And Overdorf happens to live in a neighborhood a few minutes from there. No schit thrown here.

Maybe. But he wasn't dressed for that. Looked like warmer climate attire. Or "casual day" at the office wear.

How do you know that? Maybe "safe assumption" is a better play here.

So 100% fact ... not so much.

So he was at the stadium? When?