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No physical sign of asphyxiation. Doesn’t mean that asphyxiation wasn’t a contributing factor to his death. But you’re right to note the oddity in the report. He’s got a real problem on manslaughter. Depraved indifference murder could be a trickier deal. Assuming nothing weird happens on causation (like a toxicology report indicating the Floyd ODed), depraved indifference might not be a slam dunk. It’s a hard crime to prove in NYS. that said, I would have charged him with deprived indifference murder here too. This is the type of incident to which that law should apply.

Hoax.

Please. Commandant Bone Spurs has the thinnest skin of any president in modern history. You’re right that’s he’s presided over three historic messes. His response to at least one of them (the pandemic) was late and largely ineffective. His response to another (the riots) has been basically non-existent. It’s one thing to “preside.” It’s another to “address” or to effectively “respond.” He has failed in the latter regard. I’m looking for another Monday of the big tough guy assailing people on twitter and not visiting any riot-affected area.

Trump’s reportedly in a bunker tonight, FYI. Big tough guy president sitting there surrounded by vicious dogs. All of those snowflakes in lafayette park must be really scary.

Looks like we’re giving the miracle drug to Brazil. Sad! https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/31/world/coronavirus-news.html?action=click&module=Top Stories&pgtype=Homepage

Together with yohimbe, L-arginine, horny goat weed, ginseng, pregnenolone, and dehydroepiandrosterone, I would imagine.

This awful. Just awful.

Big tough guy president gets spoken to the wrong way and hides in the White House doing nothing. Pathetic. You’re right; the rioters might not care. But the protestors might. They should be acknowledged. And if they are assuaged, guess what? Fewer protests and fewer opportunities to pervert the protests for the purpose of rioting and looting. We are better than all of this.

I expect everyone to follow the law and do their job. Including our loser president. I’m with you. I support the protests. I detest the antagonists and the looters. I hope you are well when you awake tomorrow.

That’s not the entirety of the intended audience. You know better. He’s playing politics and using the 1968 playbook. The loser is going to sit on his hands, let this fester, and try to strengthen his shaky standing with Bush-Republican types who are thinking of defecting to Biden but who might stick with Trump out of fear that the nonsense of today is the story of tomorrow if Trump loses.

Nope. I think he should get on TV, address the nation, and try to salve the wound. I realize that he’s incapable but he has to at least try. Get on the phone with black leaders and try to steer the protests to stop the violence. Go visit Minnesota and look like you give a crap about what’s going on. The nation is like, you know, burning, and the leader of the nation is doing not a freaking thing about it. Hoax until proven otherwise.

See him on TV? Address the nation? Visit Minnesota? Nope. Hides in the WH like a wimp. Loser. Couldn’t say it another way? Nah. Let’s invoke some dog whistle BS from back in the day. He knows exactly what he’s doing.

Fake news. I don’t support them. My criticism of trump and his crappy job as president doesn’t mean that I’m a communist or that I support antifa.

Whatevs. Nothing says leadership like standing idly by while the country that he is supposed to lead literally and figuratively burns. He’s a loser.

That was pretty suave of him to quote a Jim Crow era police chief. When the looting starts, the shooting starts. Fuel meet fire.

Obama used to be the president. Trump is the president. And, frankly, trump has done a pretty crappy job in the last several months. last I checked trump is the president of the United States if america. Not of only the 47% percent of the electorate who voted for him in 2016. Not only of the ”red” states. And not only of the self-identified conservatives. He is the president of the entire country. It’s time for him to get off his hands and show a little leadership with respect to a problem that is not of his causing but that is within the ambit of his responsibility to help to resolve.

Nobody said anything about adults being children. Remember GW Bush after 9/11? Reagan after the challenger? That’s how it’s done. Trump is a chump on a number of levels. But this week he also failed the country. In fairness to him, he’s obviously not up to something like this. It’s not who he is. But it’s part of the job, and if he can’t do it then he shouldn’t be the president.

Unfortunately it's becoming political. Democratic turnout will be driven by frustration, with respect to protests, COVID, and the last 3.5 years. Nationalist/deep red Republican turnout will be driven by the usual anti-Hillary, anti-Obama, anti-establishment, nationalist sentiments, coupled with disgust over what "those people" did during the riots. The few people in the middle are the ones to keep an eye on. Impressionable Republicans and independents are critical to both sides right now, and Trump is starting to play this like it's 1968 again. I don't agree with the approach -- I think he has failed the country this week not because there have been riots, but because he is supposed to be a voice of reason, the mourner in chief, and a soothing presence during a time like this. He's been none of those things. But he is making a shrewd selfish political calculation in proceeding as he has done. After all, Nixon won in 1968.

It’s beyond the other three cops. The protestors have complaints that transcend the Floyd incident. And the looters have nothing but crime and anarchy on the mind. This is an historic mess.

According to the AP the man charge is man 2. I looked at the links you posted (thanks; nice job) and man 2 seems to make more sense than man 1 here. good points on your end about reasons for no immediate arrest and on the civil end of things. Nicely done.

We also don’t know what those cops saw and might have been doing at the time. Any criminal liability with respect to those actors is a lot murkier. the speculation here is that the ME’s report was the catalyst for the arrest. As soon as that was in and the prosecutor was comfortable on causation the trigger was pulled on the arrest. The last thing anyone would want here is an arrest and charges defeated by an ME report attributing death to an OD or an underlying medical event. Reasonable cause to believe it was counterfeit, more likely than not.

This is one of the best observations I’ve read on an Internet message board. Well said. We have lost our way.

The country is on fire literally and figuratively and we’re actually having a decent conversation about some of the issues that underlie the literal fire in Minnesota. Please keep your conspiracy theory material out of it for now. Later, fine, we can talk all you want about Russia this and Comey that and we’ll go back to having our usual fun. But this Minnesota stuff is common ground, and important, and we shouldn’t disturb it with something so far afield as this. Thank you.

Not sure. Juggling a couple of things here. Will look later. I’d say doubtful at this point, but we’ll see.

Anything re: any of the other officers?