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I'm getting that impression. Sadly. I'd make a list about that, too, but it's more disgusting than it ever could be funny.

Agreed. I mean, David Duke ran for president, right? She was a crappy candidate, but far from the worst ever to seek the office. Far, far from it.

Hoax. Sad!

Also, are you curious about the new list that you're on? It's a carryover from the other thread.

Hoax. Fake news.

Democrat here. She should have rolled this bozo. And she didn't, largely because her campaign sucked. Bad messaging, and horrible strategy at the end. Tried to spike the football in Arizona instead of going to Great Lakes states. The "basket of deplorables" thing didn't help either; telling people who have legitimate concerns about their blue collar jobs that they're deplorable if they were sympathetic to the guy who at least bothered to talk about those issues was a big, big mistake.

To a point. I read the Mueller report and the gist of it is that Team Trump was too inept to conclude, and that there is a question of fact whether he obstructed justice. At the very least what happened after inauguration, right or wrong, perhaps hopelessly divided the country.

I think you're nuts, but I actually agree with some of this. I use the "Prada and pearls" reference. Working class people can't relate to someone in Prada and pearls, like Hillary and Huma Abedin. They just can't. While Trump cares very little for the working class, he actually paid attention to it in 2016 to a much greater degree than did Hillary. Neither did a good job of articulating why they wanted the presidency (particularly Hillary, whose message of "vote for me because I'm a woman" probably alienated a lot of centrist white males), but Trump at least fumbled around with his goals (manufacturing, stupid wall, "America first"). Personally I think he's a barker of the first order who fueled a stock market with debt load and rank speculation that someone else will have to answer for. I also see him as a superficial, divisive character who cares more for his ego than just about anything else, including our country. He's a hopeless liar, has diminished his office, has treated the constitution as a matter of convenience, and has significantly damaged the character and unity of our nation. But I will give credit where it's due: he nailed the tenor of the electorate in 2016, and his disinformation/misinformation campaign with respect to his COVID response suggests that he's figuring out how to do it again.

My view has been and always will be that Hillary lost 2016 much more than Trump won it. This coming from a union Democrat.

This. My view was that the Dems should have made a play to get into this guy right off the bat. He's a superficial guy driven by ego and insecurity. He also doesn't have much conviction or depth (aside from his love of and for money). Short story, he could have been convinced to be a moderate president. Instead he disregarded his better angels, stuck with the jingoist/nationalist hysteria, and cemented the "walls" between the respective political camps in this country. Opportunity lost, no matter how you cut it. He could have done more for his side, and he could have facilitated more for the other side.

No doubt. But fed $ doesn't go to football stadium. It would go to fill gaps in state budget caused by diversion of monies to COVID response. And feds can take and handle debt more readily than state governments. NYS has balanced budget requirements, so covering the COVID costs will require huge cuts to state and local services unless the feds reimburse the state for its role in the COVID response. Ergo, no or very limited discretionary funds for things like football stadiums.

For sure. It's ludicrous to suggest that the state can significantly contribute in the near term unless the state gets fed money to cover a significant portion of the state's COVID costs. (Side note: of course we in NYS should get that reimbursement. This country is a partnership between states, and we shouldn't be left holding the bag for our work in addressing the virus and helping to prevent an even greater, more catastrophic spread that almost certainly would have significantly affected just about every other state.)

Just a thought. Maybe it's better we don't have a new stadium yet. Who knows how the pandemic is going to affect sports attendance and gameday experience. This is probably unlikely, but it may be that, moving forward, the public appetite for gathering at large events (like a football game attended by 70,000 people) just isn't there. Or, absent a vaccine, maybe we can't have such gatherings for several years until herd immunity is established. Or, perhaps it is that some younger, healthier people would be more wiling to attend, but older folks more at risk for COVID complications would choose to stay home. No matter, I think we're far from grasping the enormity of the impact of the pandemic. I realize that we've had a pandemic before (albeit about 100 years ago) and we still eventually had the large gatherings I mentioned. But times are different, now, and perhaps the reaction to this issue will be different, too. Bottom line: who knows whether any market will put 70,000 people together for a sporting event anytime soon. And maybe, if they can weather this storm, the Pegulas lucked out and don't have to pay for a stadium that nobody would be able to come close to filling.

Thrilled.

I checked Fox and OAN this morning and didn't see anything about the story. Not reporting it is one way to try to kill it. Drudge has it above the "fold" on his site. Not sure who else has it. I know this flirts with getting back to the sniping about the President. But here's why highlighting the misinformation is important. Everyone (with the possible exception Amazon stockholders) wants the economy to reopen "yesterday." The only way the economy reopens well, though, is if it is safe for consumers to return to their old habits. And it becomes safe to do so through the bundling of at least a few measures, namely, testing, effective treatment, and effective prevention (e.g., vaccine). Chasing speculative, junk science ghosts and instilling (or failing to discourage, depending on one's perspective) a false sense of confidence about the progress with respect to virus suppression and treatment will be hugely counterproductive if we reopen too soon and have to start this process all over again. So for everyone's benefit we have to be smart and as patient as possible. I realize that's tough. It sucks for a lot of people, and for a lot of people it sucks more than it sucks for me. But it's the only way out. Promoting baseless, silver-bullet remedies and encouraging (or, again, failing to discourage) states from reopening where federal guidelines for reopening haven't been met will not help anyone.

Vaguely reminiscent of the Trump administration given a $400m contract to a firm closely connected to his ambassador to Great Britain. Perhaps it is that, I don't know, VAN is pretty good at what it does, just like Johnson & Johnson happens to be pretty good within its field?

Will let you know. Thanks for the offer. And good for you for being financially secure. I mean this sincerely; we may disagree on issues, but we all want the best result and I'm glad that you're (from what I can discern) OK. Hopefully everyone else who reads this comes through this well, too. Well done. I laughed out loud!

Appreciate it but went vegetarian about five months ago. Wife went vegan, and I sort of came along organically to support her. It’s sort of odd - I don’t miss meat, and I’m surprised that things I thought I couldn’t live without I don’t even miss. and it’s been great. Lost weight, much stronger, much more energy. Now in the pandemic we hit the grocery store about once every three weeks and I don’t have fresh veggies (outside of frozen) in between. I’m dying for them. anyhow, given my experience I worry that habits will change significantly with all of the closures and that the economy won’t be the same when it reopens. I have friends who have restaurants (small ones) and I’ve bought gift certificates from them and donated the meals to medical professionals. I hope it works out for everyone, and if you’re in the restaurant biz I hope it gets back to normal ASAP for you, too. I’ll be rooting for you, and I’ll be there to help as many as I can.

Bad news, Deranged Rhino and Third and Long. There is a new list. And it’s not a good one to be on. But I think you’ve both earned it. *** Meanwhile, from the world of science, looks like the stable genius might have been a bit off on this one: https://apnews.com/a5077c7227b8eb8b0dc23423c0bbe2b2

Meaning that they’re pretty awesome, Warren. Keep up the great work!

Fake news. Now I have an idea where you’re getting it from, though. Straight from your commie handbook. Everything now makes so much sense!

Interesting that you knew that existed. Further proof that you are a communist cloaked in the cover of a deranged, savannah-roaming conspiracy theorist. Hence your inclusion on the “commie/pinko” list.

Not an express reference, to be sure, but certainly implied in my book.

Fake news. Pride is a sin. I’m not prideful about myself.

don’t forget the gem about the hoax, too. That was rich. Nothing says take the threat seriously like the president calling it a hoax. Agreed, for once. See above. The president also called the threat a hoax. So technically you’re correct on this one.