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I didn’t say it was daboll’s decision. I said he pushed for it, which you haven’t denied. On the other points, as much as I hate the term, you’re setting up strawmen. Nobody said a thing about “developing” Gronkowski. And nobody has denied that bill belichick hired this guy twice.

I like the O’Shea idea. Brady would be interesting, too. Maybe DeFillipo gets some consideration if Marrone’s staff is blown out in Jax. McD would have intel on him through Eagles connections, and he allegedly had a big part in wentz’s growth. Not saying I want defillipo, but it’s not the worst idea in the world if we need a new OC.

care to clarify what the “BS” part of job was at NE? I didn’t realize that the most accomplished coach on NFL history has BS jobs on staff. and yes, daboll was at bama for just a year. And in that time he started to modernize the offense and had the guts to push for the benching of championship QB b/c he (correctly) recognized that the backup was better.

McCarthy probably let capers hang around too long.

Bystander at bama? Come on. Nothing to do in NE? He had a 20/20 job. Go back and watch Bama’s win over Georgia in the national championship game. Check our who took control of the huddle before Tua hit the game winner. It was daboll. And he got to run an offense for nick Saban in part on belichick’s recommendation. I just can’t believe belichick would mislead a friend like Saban in a hire like that.

On the Peterman point - Allen didn’t even know the protections early last year. McCarron was even more mediocre. They didn’t have much of a choice in that respect.

I agree on the discipline point with Rivera, and they probably could use somebody who won’t need to learn on the job as a HC. (Another plug for McDaniels, perhaps.) Not sure about the other two, however. One could argue that both greatly underachieved with the talent at their disposal - even with McCarthy’s Super Bowl.

Sorry but I don’t see it the same way. In week 2 last year josh was completely overmatched against the Chargers. It is night and day since then. He also was arguably the rawest member of his draft class, and he arguably is the best product of that group today. it’s easy to rely on the “he knows great coaches” trope. Fact remains that belichick hired him multiple times and Saban brought him in to run his offense. So perhaps it’s a bit excessive to refer to him as a “nobody.”

Perhaps. But these jobs don’t grow on trees. And sometimes it’s best to strike when the iron is hot. Ask Brian Schottenheimer. It may also be that Dorsey is gone in Cleveland. Lots of moving parts there. For what it’s worth, I think Roman makes a lot of sense for them. He’s scored a lot of points with mediocre quarterbacks, and hiring him would weaken a division rival. McDaniels might work for them, too. But they could find Daboll attractive for his work with Allen, who arguably has come the furthest of the 2018 QB class.

This job might appeal to him. And he might get it. Close enough to home (OP) where the family can commute back and forth easily. I believe that he has kids/step kids late in high school and Cleveland might be the second most desirable situation for him, next to Buffalo. The interview request also tells us that there are those in the NFL who are impressed with his work with Allen. As well they should be. Josh has come leaps and bounds from where he was last year. It would be a big loss for Daboll to go.

I get that. It’s a sign of weakness. But it’s also not their call if it’s a serious injury. And watching it live, it looked bad.

Not sure what the TV broadcast showed with respect to the Wallace injury. But it looked bad. Non-contact, and he wouldn’t put weight on it as he left the field. I couldn’t believe they didn’t get the cart for him. I hope it’s not an Achilles, but that was my thought watching it live in the stadium yesterday.

Didn’t Caldwell go to high school with daboll? Don’t be shocked if daboll goes there should Caldwell survive. LAC is another potential daboll connection. Telesco is a frannies guy, too, if memory serves.

Do we see Peyton surface here as director of all things football in Cleveland? I think he has a headlamp connection from Tennessee.

Good call on the FB. Roberts was impressive.

Who were his QBs in those stops? that aside, your points are that daboll doesn’t call enough screens, and that Kroft is underused. Maybe those points favor daboll - he plays to strengths (Knox over kroft) and doesn’t call plays we don’t run well (screens).

If you think we were creative on D you’re wrong. We were very basic. Offense was pretty dull, too, save for the Dawkins trickery and the brown reverse, which played off of the brown pass in game 1. Realistically that game would have had no bearing on our playoff seeding. So what’s the best way to accomplish the objective in January? By holding the cards until the playoffs start.

agreed. The objective is to win the super bowl. I felt differently going into the NE game - my thought was why not throw the kitchen sink at them and try to slay the dragon. But in hindsight McDermott played it right. I think we’ll see more of the same this week. Offense should work on whatever it feels it needs to tighten up and then get Allen/brown/singletary/Dawkins/Morse out of there. D should mothball tre white, edmunds, and maybe Milano and Hyde and show absolutely nothing. It’s on to Houston.

Kroft got hurt and Knox took his spot. The series you’re referring to in Pittsburgh was all about the HB pass by Gore. The draw on third down was designed to avoid a sack and preserve the FG. setup plays are part of NFL offenses. Look at Pittsburgh’s TD against us. Connor run followed by same look/play fake/throw back to Connor. It’s a way of life against good defenses, and the fact that it didn’t work on one series against Pittsburgh doesn’t mean Daboll is a bad coordinator.

come on. The touchdown to kroft in Pittsburgh was a gorgeous play design. Knox has played pretty well and has pro bowl potential if he can improve his hands. and the screen game? We have big guards. Maybe some middle screens would be in order. But fact is we don’t block screens well (see Spain’s stupid holding penalty against Baltimore) so there’s not a ton of sense in running them.

Morse is very athletic and is one of the few centers who can effectively pull. We should be a better sweep team. I think Spain’s lack of mobility has a little part in that. singletary is a 1 in my view (provided he improves ball security). I wouldn’t mind a 2 with a little juice. Of course, if we got melvin Gordon or Derrick Henry at the right price, I’d be cool with that, too. AJ Green is the one FA I would consider paying huge money. The locker room dynamic is extremely important here and I’d worry about giving a newcomer one of the top paychecks. If they go that route, the signee has to have a sterling resume. Green can pull it off.

yup. Look at what KC did to Edelman. Doubled him and took him away. If we see NE again, what travels with Harry, Edelman gets the double, and we hope that Milano and the safeties handle the run better.

Dion Dawkins caught a touchdown. And they played off of the brown throw in the last NE game with the brown reverse. So offense wasn’t entirely vanilla. defensively, however, I agree with the premise the McDermott held his cards. The Texans and anyone else we might get in the playoffs will see a much more aggressive approach.

thank you. Spot on. It’s the give and take of employing the guards that we have. As far as the quoted comment about the Philly special goes, I submit that a guy who throws it twice w a WR this year, dedicates two entire goal line seuqences to trick plays this year, and throws to a tackle with no time on the clock at the end of the half yesterday should not have his courage questioned. I think we need a bigger x receiver. Brown is best as a y (at least in my view). I consider Beasley to be our WR2, and the spot other than brown/Beasley has been a black hole lately. McKenzie really aggravated me by failing to line up properly yesterday. If you’re not going to help the team, at the very least you can’t hurt it with presnap errors.

The throw wasn't back shoulder, nor should it have been. It was on the last set of downs, meaning that we didn't score on the drive. The route was open and it should have been a touchdown.