Luxy312

Yes, Yes, No, and Yes. Nobody is saying Fitz is worthless.

Personally, I think that the contract they offered speaks to this. Why go $12M, $6M, $6M with the first year + $3M guaranteed in the second? IMO, they view him as being better than the youngsters they currently have, but also believe one of those guys will be the starter in 1-2 years. The contract is essentially a bridge contract. They pay him for the first year for the other guys to learn. Thus the $12M guaranteed salary in year one. Then they only commit $3M next year in the event that one of those other guys is ready. $3M cap hit to let him walk or only $6M salary if they need him for the second year. Year 3 is 100% optional. Their plan is moving on.

Upon reading the word "gravy" on 2BD, Karlos promptly gained another 5 pounds.

He's recovering from his broken leg still anyway. None the less, he should sign his tender as that would put the ball in the Jets court. He's going to get some big money. They can whittle away a little of his $15.7M cap hit, but I'm guessing not a whole hell of a lot.

Well that's where we fundamentally disagree. They made an offer consistent with their cap situation and the reality that Fitzpatrick is not the quarterback of the future, beyond the next 2-3 years at the most. They've drafted a QB in 3 of the last 4 drafts in Hackenberg, Petty, and Smith. I really don't believe they're going to kill their salary cap situation by signing a bridge QB to the type of deal you think or that Fitzpatrick wants. As stated before, if the tune changes, I'll admit I was wrong. However, the lack of interest from any other team in the NFL gives the Jets all the leverage. They truly don't have to do anything other than split the reps in camp among the three QB's that are actually there.

LMAO...well done.

The last commentator said it best. Tyrod Taylor making plays when it's third down in the red zone and you have to move the chains. Defense certainly has to be better, but they looked completely different in the second half of the season than they did in the first last year.

That's not good. Hope he gets it together. I would be curious just how much overweight / out of shape he is. Guess we'll see in a few months.

But he isn't. That's the simple reality you're ignoring. He wants a multi-year deal at the price he wants OR a one year deal for $12M such that he's a free agent again. All you're doing is trying to fabricate a different reality and you're doing it poorly. If he were going to do any of these other things (and the list grows as you create them), he would have signed the deal they put on the table. He hasn't. He clearly has no intention to retire after just one more year in the NFL. It's obvious to anyone not completely oblivious to reality.

Based on the actions of both the team and Fitzpatrick, it is coo coo for coco puffs crazy. Follow the logic steps here and you'll get there. The Jets won't give him voidable years because they want him on a bridge contract or no contract at all. If they were going to give him voidable years, they would just give him a one year deal, which they will not at $12M. That is precisely where they're at right now and what they've put on the table. If Fitzpatrick was planning to retire after this year, he would take the $24M offer on with $15M guaranteed and a $12M salary this year that he said he would accept in the form of a one year contract for that amount. He has refused. Implicitly, he wants to play after this year and doesn't want to be tied down to a $6M salary next year or the year after. He's a smart enough guy (Harvard as you've said) to know that he's not likely going to achieve the incentives offered in the deal the Jets put on the table. The remaining delusion that there's a market for Ryan Fitzpatrick at $12M for a year. Thus far, there isn't. There is no option on the table right now for the Jets to get what they want in an $8-9M per year bridge quarterback for 2-3 years, OR for Fitzpatrick to get the multi-year deal he's looking for at the price range that he wants. It's crystal clear to me that Fitzpatrick wants to be a starter for multiple years and wants to get paid accordingly. It's also crystal clear to me that the Jets do not value him as such. How you're maintaining some alternate reality is baffling. If the Jets at some point offer a multi-year deal at $12M per year, I'll eat my words and say I'm wrong. If Fitzpatrick accepts the 3-year deal, I'll entertain the idea that he would consider retirement after just one more year. Until either of those days come, I'll let logic guide my perceptions of reality and not feelings.

Is that premature dejeculation?

Well, now you're telling me he's going to do something that HE SAYS he doesn't want to do. Way to fabricate your own narrative. What if the Jets offered him a 10 year $250M deal, with nothing guaranteed in the first year and then cut him? That's right, the answer is that nobody really cares for delusions not grounded in reality, which is the viewpoint that you're espousing.

His worth, period. If he was worth $12M to play one year, he would have a contract already. He doesn't. The article clearly says that the Jets won't offer him a 1-year deal and want a 3-year BRIDGE deal, laden with incentives that he's not likely to achieve. So their offer is 12-6-6 with 15 guaranteed. That's $8-9 million per year depending on when he yields the starting position to Hackenberg or Petty and whether he even sees the third year of that contract. So you saying they agree is just plain wrong. For a guy that supposedly has a masters degree in sports management, you clearly don't understand what a contract is and what it is not. As of right now, he's not getting paid anything and has no offers on the table from any other team. You debating that he COULD make $12M this year is factually incorrect unless you accept the premise that there's two additional years where he'll get $6M each year. Fitzpatrick wants $14-16M per year, while the Jets are offering a $24M 3-year deal with only $15M guaranteed. Fitzpatrick may want a one year deal for $12M, but the Jets have not offered that.

When there's actually a signed contract, let me know. Until then, you're just a delusional backer of an unemployed quarterback with minimal options.

Wow. $12 million for 2016 is not agreed. There is NO CONTRACT. It's up to debate because they're still debating it. Fitzpatrick is free to sign with any other team and hasn't gotten a sniff. His value is not what you suggest. Is he a member of your extended family by any chance or do you just have neck beard envy?

There's the problem though. One year. Fitzpatrick doesn't want a one year deal for $12m and won't accept it. At the end of the day, Fitzpatrick isn't the reason the Jets would get to the playoffs or god forbid, to the Superbowl. If THEY believed that to be the case, they would have already signed him. So.....we're left with fan fabrication of his worth. Talking about his TD's or the Jets team wins of last season does nothing and adds nothing.

You made the point there for yourself Kirby. There's 31 teams right now, that by all appearances, believe that their current starting quarterback is better than Fitzpatrick. The 32nd team that we're talking about appears to not value him high enough, and instead are going with last year's backup. As for teams "competing" for him, there's been plenty of QB's that have already found homes with new teams (Osweiler, Daniel, RG3, Cassel) and QB's that have stuck on with the teams they were already with (Weeden, McCown, Gradkowski, Orlovsky, Moore) even as backups in free agency. There's not a soul that believes he's worth starting quarterback money, and the market is speaking to that fact. Cassel was lucky to have a good year at the beginning of his career. Too bad for Fitzpatrick that he had his best after 10 years of middling. Your continued hype of this journeyman middler has gone from mildly amusing to hysterical.

I don't think anyone would debate whether Rex Ryan is engaging to the fans. I can't remember a coach since Chuck Knox, that had as much bravado as he does. That said, there was a lot of hype going into last season. I'm not as "hyped" as I have been in past years either. It will take all but an uneventful preseason for me to want to care even less. It's going to take some serious momentum out of the gates for me to get hooked again. @BAL, NYJ, ARI, @NE is going to tell us a lot about where this team is this year after only the first four weeks of the season. On the face of it, I would be happy with 2-2. 1-3 will tell me that they're the same team as last year. 3-1 or undefeated and I'm back on the Bills crack. LOL.

I think the story is an easy one and you've already said it here. He has been serviceable. That's it. Teams are not going to pay the price tag he's asking for, for a QB that is merely serviceable. Fitzpatrick is no different than any other journeyman QB's that are/were mediocre like Brian Hoyer, Matt Cassell, Kyle Orton. The only difference these days is the price tag and the length of the commitment being sought by Fitzpatrick. At the end of the day, the Jets are no more likely to sign up for 3 years of mediocre QB play than the Bills signing Taylor to a long-term deal before we see what he has this year.

Coupling the re-signing of both of these players makes no sense to me. Gilmore is a known commodity that has had multiple seasons with success at his position. For four years running, he's been the best CB on the team and facing opponents #1 receiver, wherever they line up on the field. Getting him under a long term deal should be a priority. He's 25 and has a lot of football years left in him. Tyrod Taylor on the other hand had a decent year last year. He really wasn't asked to do a lot though, nor did he. He basically was as productive as Alex Smith was last year. Do I want to see the Bills give a hefty long-term contract if all we're going to get is the next Alex Smith for the next 5-6 years? Simply put, no. Tyrod has had some really good games, but has had some poor games as well. When we've needed him to march the team down the field and score, he hasn't been able to do it. He's got two years left on his current contract with the second year voidable. If we see the improvement that we need to see, of course you lock him up and call him your guy. Right now is too soon for Taylor. Gilmore has nothing to prove. Sign him if you can or tag him next year if you can't.

I like the chances of Watkins, Dareus, Darby, and McCoy. All of course are predicated on staying healthy for the entirety of the season.

Glad he can at least make choices for himself. None the less, not HOF material by any stretch of any imagination. In total career yardage, YPA, YPG, and basically any other major metric you want to look at, he's not even cracking the top-25. Add to that the fact that there's probably 10 active players that will pass him before they're done and he's just another RB that had a good career, albeit not great. There's at least 5 guys (probably more than 10 if I think about it some more) that would deserve the HOF ahead of him with better career numbers. Tomlinson certainly will go, I don't think he's a question at all. But guys like Fred Taylor, Tiki Barber, Corey Dillon, Jamal Lewis, Shawn Alexander and Clinton Portis had better careers.

I won't call it the "middle of the field" throws, so much as I'll call it the middle of the play throws. To explain, he was either getting the ball out very quick last season or very delayed. Factually, he had more 25+ yard passes (in the air) than any other quarterback in the NFL last season. He had success when he had the time to wait for a play to develop. This year, I expect teams to take that away to a degree. Look for more doubles on Sammy with a safety over the top. His achilles last season was finding targets when he got to that 2.0-2.5 seconds range off the snap. He often took off running instead of throwing. If he doesn't find those targets, he's going to get his bell rung at some point. Injury will not bode well for the team.

Same here Big Cat. I can name at least two dozen, without even thinking about it too much.

Now there's some reports suggesting that Talib may have shot himself AND two other people. If that's the case, suspension coming along with potential jail time.