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Josh will feed him targets to try and keep Knox well-paid.

This is great. Hope I can download it before it disappears

I heard the same thing. But I also was told the wind tunnel will pass through refrigerated equipment that will make it negative wind chills on the visitor’s side.

I jumped onto the train when Ed Oliver was in Pee Wee football. I can spot ‘em.

This is the Josh we need in the playoffs; I realize he was otherworldly Sunday, but we needed him to be that guy the last two Chiefs playoff games. Defense cannot be counted on in the biggest games, period.

I bet that kid watches games on illegal streams. I know the type. No morals.

Yeah, when I posted the topic I knew it would be like setting fire to a bag of poop on everyone’s doorstep! It’s interesting reading people’s views though.

The government thinks of the billionaires. That’s why prosecuting is happening, or being tried anyway. 🤣 There is nothing new or unusual about this arrangement. Money talks. I'm not sure the government is doing “nothing” about IP theft, but apparently you have more inside info on that? I just think it’s smarter people outsmarting smart people.

So every book in the library is a best seller? And how many more books would be sold if people bought them instead of consuming a readily-available copy for free?

But that is not what this discussion is about - it’s about the moral/legal/ethical aspects of viewing illegal streams (for free) by the public. No one is saying the streamers shouldn’t be prosecuted.

And I can tell you with certainty I have no idea what that has to do with what you quoted me on. 🤣

But by using the library, aren’t you depriving the author of a sale, much like watching a stream deprives the NFL of a sale of that stream? Also, illegal streamers aren’t charging people to view their streams, much like libraries.

You’ve given yourself the answer. Whenever anything becomes easy to steal, people have, and always will, take advantage of that. This isn’t some new occurrence. Humans have always been this way. I think the “socially acceptable” part is just rationalizing that SO MANY people are doing it, as noted in the article, that people shrug and go along with the crowd. You are just being exposed to people’s rationalizations for the first time, but people and stealing have always been this way. So, I’m curious what do you think about libraries stealing customers from authors?

Basically what you describe in bold has happened; Wegmans and Walmart have both had to cut back on self checkout because of rampant theft. There are a LOT of people that have no qualms about walking out with products. As has been noted upthread, equating the stealing of candy bars and viewing content without paying for it are two very different situations under the stealing umbrella. Because they are different, it directs the conversation to the differences instead of the issue being both are considered “stealing”. In my opinion, a better comparison is downloading a pdf of a book instead of buying it, or even going to a library and borrowing a book instead of buying it. In both these cases, as with the streaming content, there is a loss of a potential sale but no loss of a product that is removed from circulation that cannot be purchased and the production costs recouped. When a candy bar is stolen, that bar cannot be purchased and its production costs cannot be recouped. Viewing illegal streams only results in a monetary loss if the person was going to buy it but chose not to.

Back in the day there wasn’t an easy way to access products online like there is now. I don’t think people have changed as much as the technology has. There has been more than one generation that was accustomed to getting TV and radio for free, then it became the norm to have to pay for those things, and I think people are still feeling ripped off that those things are no longer free (for the most part). So maybe that plays into the entitled attitude?

You sure about that?

What law is being broken by viewing an illegal stream?

Apparently the Bills won’t be going “balls to the walls” this week.

It seems to have come down to this: those that see viewing illegal streams as “stealing” and morally wrong, while everyone else has a rationalization for “stealing” and viewing the illegal streams. We get it. Can we get back to suggesting replacement illegal streams now?

When I watch streams for free, I’m just getting a refund on those tax dollars I didn’t want to pay for a stadium to a billionaire for his team to play in. I saw that too, but many of those posts about it being up and running are from last year when Streameast was beginning to be shut down. I think they went after the biggest streamer in hopes it would send a message, as opposed to actually limiting piracy. The NFL is probably the source of much of the malware on those sites anyway 🤣

Bold stance.

I tried to see what it would look like with AI, it it wouldn’t let me use “Josh Allen”.

Please don’t do that to @GunnerBill

See you in hell buddy! 🤣🤣 Dofu was great; only one pop up to navigate and had a nice iPhone app. Looking for a replacement. I found Streameast to be too annoying with all the ads.

Oh my! They seized cash, credit cards and laptops!! If I have to pay $9.99 for a month of Peacock, I am gonna be SO MAD. From The Athletic/NY Times: ”Streameast — the world’s largest illegal sports streaming platform — has been shut down after a year long investigation, according to a leading United States-based anti-piracy organisation. The network of 80 unauthorised domains generated 1.6 billion combined visits over the past year, providing free access to global sports fixtures, including Europe’s top football leagues and competitions, such as the Premier League and Champions League, as well as the NFL, NBA and MLB.” https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6591670/2025/09/03/streameast-worlds-largest-illegal-sports-streaming-platform-shut-down-in-sting/?source=user_shared_article The Athletic has been informed by the Alliance for Creativity and Entertainment (ACE) — a coalition of 50 media and entertainment organisations including Amazon, Apple TV+, Netflix and Paramount — that an operation alongside Egyptian law enforcement officials took place on Sunday August 24 to disrupt Streameast’s dominant position in the illegal streaming market. Traffic to the site reached 136 million average monthly visits, with domains primarily originating from the U.S., Canada, the United Kingdom, the Philippines and Germany. “ACE scored a resounding victory in its fight to detect, deter, and dismantle criminal perpetrators of digital piracy: by taking down the largest illegal live sports platform anywhere,” said Charles Rivkin, chairman of ACE and chairman and CEO of the Motion Picture Association (MPA). “With this landmark action, we have put more points on the board for sports leagues, entertainment companies, and fans worldwide — and our global alliance will stay on the field as long as it takes to identify and target the biggest piracy rings across the globe.”