Gene Frenkle

Now back to our regularly-scheduled echo chamber. I kid, I kid...

No, it's just more rational and reasonable to protect against literally almost any other cause of death. If you truly care about your loved ones. That's the point. With limited time and resources and a particular goal in mind, one should focus on the most likely things to worry about. It's not an argument about guns. It's an argument about the irrationality of the the stated reason for owning a gun. Own a gun cause it's shiny. Own a gun cause it looks good strapped in that sweet leather holster. Own a gun cause you're compensating. I don't care. Just don't justify your gun fetish with the "protecting my family from intruders" BS that always get spouted. It's statistically ridiculous and shows a complete lack of critical thought. Ok, boys, time to write some code. It's been real. No hard feelings I hope and it's been a lot of fun for you as well. Thanks for the debate.

Everyone seems to be behind on the topic here. Take a few minutes and read some pages. You're disrupting the conversation. Geez. Oh, that's a sight I'll bet!

That's not what we're talking about, Gary. We're talking about the single most oft-cited reason people use for having their guns - to protect their family from home intruders. I'm not even against people owning guns. I could give a schitt. I'm against irrationality. Read the thread and do try to keep up. BTW, were the 1972 statistics not available?

Read the thread, bro.

Saving the day with your gun, from the sound of things.

Actually, the original point was that for 3,281,999 people out of 3,282,000 US citizens, there never will be a criminal who would otherwise kill you in a burglary.

Oh, am I wrong? lol

Nope, thankfully. I suppose it depends on who's holding it, from an accuracy standpoint. Trained cops miss all the time, which is why they're trained to shoot center mass, no?

It's a gun owner's wet dream.

And yet you're still here. I read that's part of why the number is so low every year. Generally, burglars don't want to kill you. They break in during the day, when you're not at home. You're better off getting some dogs.

Yeah, that's the easy part.

Because people are dumb. Again, I don't care if you have your guns. Just be informed and real about why you want them.

In 3,281,999 out of every 3,282,000 million universes, Chef, there is no bad guy. Edit: I ***** up.

I'm generally irked by irrational thought and illogical thinking dictating how we live our lives. Plus, I like to argue.

Yep. The field of causes of death is much wider when we're not talking about protecting the homestead. People die every day of all kinds of things. That's actually a reasonable thing to worry about. My point is not that you shouldn't have your guns. It's that the reason most people state for having their guns is not a rational way of thinking. Conservatives are generally more fearful of irrational things (disclaimer: the population of Conservatives, not necessarily you), so it makes sense that they are the ones who are typically pro-gun.

Yep, I understand that it makes you feel better. Like I said, have at it. Not true at all, though you do spend a lot of time posting on a message board instead of running the company. Like I'm one to talk! I'm serious, you should help them out. It the charitable thing to do. YOU can make a difference.

No, Chef said he kept his guns under his pillow when sleeping in Oakland. That's both smart and possibly irresponsible, IDK. Not big on the pop culture references, are you Dude? Edit: I've got some extra Ginkgo if you need some.

Dude, Homos is not the preferred nomenclature. Edit: Goddamn ***** censor filter ***** with my ***** jokes... Edit: It censors the singular of homos, but not the plural (obviously) Do you think they were?

You should give all of your starving friends some of your millions. Holy crap! A sample size of 1. I'm convinced.

And that's the other part. The chances of you being invaded by an armed intruder in the first place and successfully protecting yourself are astronomically low.

Living in Oakland doesn't really change your odds of getting killed by an intruder much at all, even if it makes you feel better. Like I said, I might do the same in that situation, but the stats are the stats dude.

So that you could sport your "Sun's Out, Gun's Out" tank top and show off all that hard work? Or was it to protect my family from home invaders? Actually, I believe it was so that the militia could be called upon to defend the country in times of need. Totally relevant today.

Jesus dude, NOBODY thinks any of it is good.

Isn't the cheese bus coming by to meet their needs? Times are tough right now. They may get a lot tougher for everyone if idiots rule the day. Suck it up and do what needs to be done. The rest of us are. It's all crap. They think they're being patriotic, but they're unknowingly acting against their own self interest. What a ***** surprise!