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I agree science can evolve, but "science" can come to different conclusions.

if that is the case, we should be seeing an explosion in cases based of the demonstrations.

It is indeed tragic, and ones heart goes out to the family. But this is also in the same paper https://buffalonews.com/2020/06/18/buffalo-niagara-regions-private-sector-jobs-fall-21/ Certainly the best news would be for cases going down, no doubt, and these numbers are troubling. Having said that..i know you dismissed this yesterday but if i understand contact tracing correctly, if it is being done in Florida..we will continue to see higher cases and higher positives based on contact tracing working...am i missing something there? Certainly i have no insight into these numbers you are reporting..but are they concentrated again in the migrant farming community? Mostly younger people ? How many asymptomatic? So much more data needed that just positive test numbers

not sure your point...calls only for masks when you will be in sustained contact with someone and will be within 6 feet of them for that sustained period of time. To be clear, i have been wearing a mask since mid March. But the science of mask wearing is not cut and dried..for example wearing them outside seems to make zero sense. Wearing them in a store seems to make little sense based on this article, wearing them anywhere where you will not be in close contact for a sustained period of time seems to make little sense. Am i reading that wrong?

just saying... https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp2006372?fbclid=IwAR1EoJkVn0xxmfBb6RNhasEb2XXM6E2Lr-p7YOMrvMFl9iMBwKPQLl96lIo I mean it is the New England Journal Of Medicine...

all i can report is that they enjoyed @mead107 wife much more than Mead...not a hard thing to believe if you have ever met Mead

kinda like Anchor Bar...myth greater than the reality( I kid, i kid) . Every guest i take to tailgate says best part of day was having breakfast stromboli and @mead107 wife. Hmm does that sound bad?

@Hapless Bills Fan Will do my best to answer your here. First, i do not buy the argument that half of the US population carries higher risk factors and much higher risk of bad outcomes . I dont buy that, and think it highlights what many have dubbed "panic porn". If that were the case, ;logically would not young people with those conditions be dying at the same rate as older people? This has been proven to be much more fatal to older folks with one or more comorbidity factors...you would have to show me the numbers to convince me young and old affected the same , i have not seen numbers like that and have no idea where i could find them. 2nd. Not quite sure what your point is on #2 . If your thesis is that because 50% have high risk factors , we should continue with lockdown and only keep essential services open? Things like grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, Walmart etc? If that is the case, one has to assume a good portion of those folks work in grocery stores, work picking up trash, work cleaning hospitals, provising personal care to the elderly..in other words people who are doing "essential" jobs now..make up 50% of those jobs as well. We also know minorities make up a higher portion of those jobs, so i would say that even higher than 50% rhigh risk factor make up those jobs now. We know minority is truly a high risk factor due to more crowded living conditions and more multi generational housing. So, I will ask you how have those people getting those services/goods now? Is it okay for higher risks groups to continue to work and continue to place their families at risk while the rest of us stay home and get paid, order Grubhub, order Amazon everyday, go to Lowes cause I need to get my garden in, protest in groups of hundreds of thousands? Is it okay to continue to have migrant farm workers and hispanic workers at meat plants work as cases in those environments spike like crazy? If so, please tell me why? My answer is those with true , proven, high risk factors are guaranteed pay through we get a vaccine or very extremly effective therpy, and a guaranteed job upon return. If you have an elder in your home with comorbidity factors, they need to be self isolated as muchas possible and those families are giving the absolute top notch PPE that prevents transmission No response or rebuttal @Hapless Bills Fan, promised me as much more than 24 hours ago.

so could this not be the case? And it may not, and these case spike worry me, but here goes Contact tracing has expanded..so now a positive test triggers many more tests of those in close proximity...so even asymptomatic people who 4 weeks ago would never see a test are getting tested now and proving positive. Asymptomatic still , but positive. I thought thought that was what was happening in Florida. Migrant farm worker test positive, even though asymptomatic, every one who has contact with that person is then tested, and they test positive as well. 95% asymptomatic(guess on my part)... I think the real test is ICU and deaths in the next 7-10 days in these hot spots, and 3 weeks out from the rally in Tulsa.

Man, i played 9 early afternoon..started Par-Birdie-Par---ended 44..i suck! Damn, nailed it on "good press conferences= better response'...amazing how gullible people really are ...and that goes both ways in my book. Trump and his admin are open for criticism too, but damn good in front of the camera means so much more than results its crazy. I playes sports through college, love sports now, I have been in sales my whole life..whats great about both is the only thing that really matter is results...

i honestly don't think so, two different environments, may have two different outcomes. I am all for the rally for political reasons..protests okay (basically rallies for the left) Trump should be able to have his. Kicker for me is the scientific experiment that comes along as a bonus.

i am all in..today!

you get the difference between "inside" and "outside" no?

not 18K people at an event..and I may add 18K following the example of their idol and not wearing masks. Let the experiment begin!

really is a win win here for the country no? I mean i love the scientific experiment that will be this rally. What a great way to see if indoor events are safe. And 18K people have willingly signed up for it! If no one gets sick...we can open up even more and most likely be at Bills games in September. People get sick, Trump looks like even more of an idiot, and loses steam in the election. Wion Win!

whats the worry? If ya go, you have to agree that contact trace...why is that a big deal?

I would think there is significant contact tracing at this event..and if not proves Trump does not believe in what he says. Contact trace everyone, see what happens. Seems like a huge risk to Trump, if he is willing to take it , as are attendees..i say go for it!

ya know, i have not watched the clip yet. Having said that, this guy i thought was 1) Floridiot, 2) Covidiot. Now, i want him as my President. Funny what 3 months can do BTW, i am 57 and have wanderlust...no desire to go to India. I know prolly zenophobic, just no desire

Problem is, these are for 4-6 bedrooms..granted mac daddy houses,but designed for two families. Demand has gone through the roof for beach houses, people making a killing right now that had not booked their places pre Covid Told ya dude, no need to postpone the wedding..me and crew be there. Your son knows and loves us, lets roll! As the old man used to say, looks like a Veranda Beach vacation this year!

I am a lost soul in a vast wasteland....i get sadder by the day.

we had a euro trip planned with another family, looks like that is cooked. Wife started looking at OBX and other beach places...appears everyone else who had a euro trip planned is now also going to the beach. Found some nice houses...for $16K a week!

Not sure there was any dash cam , but there could have been I guess. This was a good 7 years ago , maybe not as prevalent? kept telling the guy, listen, o watch too many cop TV shows. No way I blowing into that thing, I am perfectly capable, performed every test flawlessly.. I mean really? Almost had a feeling they were asking as if I agreed I would have had to have been drunk!

Not discouraging to me at all. I have been in business long enough to know that throwing money at a problem is most always the answer. They have been doing the for 9 years with sub-optimal( dismal) results. They were “ persistent” , now it is the time to not be “ insane” do not keep doing the same things and expect different results. Maybe leaner means better and more decisive?

Posted 1 hour ago @Hapless Bills Fan Will do my best to answer your here. First, i do not buy the argument that half of the US population carries higher risk factors and much higher risk of bad outcomes . I dont buy that, and think it highlights what many have dubbed "panic porn". If that were the case, ;logically would not young people with those conditions be dying at the same rate as older people? This has been proven to be much more fatal to older folks with one or more comorbidity factors...you would have to show me the numbers to convince me young and old affected the same , i have not seen numbers like that and have no idea where i could find them. 2nd. Not quite sure what your point is on #2 . If your thesis is that because 50% have high risk factors , we should continue with lockdown and only keep essential services open? Things like grocery stores, pharmacies, hospitals, Walmart etc? If that is the case, one has to assume a good portion of those folks work in grocery stores, work picking up trash, work cleaning hospitals, provising personal care to the elderly..in other words people who are doing "essential" jobs now..make up 50% of those jobs as well. We also know minorities make up a higher portion of those jobs, so i would say that even higher than 50% rhigh risk factor make up those jobs now. We know minority is truly a high risk factor due to more crowded living conditions and more multi generational housing. So, I will ask you how have those people getting those services/goods now? Is it okay for higher risks groups to continue to work and continue to place their families at risk while the rest of us stay home and get paid, order Grubhub, order Amazon everyday, go to Lowes cause I need to get my garden in, protest in groups of hundreds of thousands? Is it okay to continue to have migrant farm workers and hispanic workers at meat plants work as cases in those environments spike like crazy? If so, please tell me why? My answer is those with true , proven, high risk factors are guaranteed pay through we get a vaccine or very extremly effective therpy, and a guaranteed job upon return. If you have an elder in your home with comorbidity factors, they need to be self isolated as muchas possible and those families are giving the absolute top notch PPE that prevents transmission

I look at it the other way...they were not afraid to buck the " continuity at all costs" idiocy ..and at least know when they made a mistake.