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Did you read this piece? When asked if the cases in Tulsa are going up due to the rally on June 20, Dart said that there were several large events a little over two weeks ago. Bynum said that ordering masks for employees at bars and restaurants has helped the Tulsa Health Department with their contact tracing by showing them what the leading contributors are to cases in the Tulsa area. hmm, so in first paragraph there are indications of several events that took place in Tulsa, now 18 days ago as the article points out and incubation tone is 3-14 days. also says their contract tracers are swamped and working overtime. If Trump rally alone caused the infection, pretty damn easy to spot that no? and last paragraph states they are ordering masks at bars and restaurants as they understand leading contributors to cases rising. hmm, all that and all ya had to do was read.

all good points..and let me counter and hope you grant me the benefit the doubt you ask. I do not not have people in 'high risk" groups as you do, and ceratinly that impacts our views. I do however have two kids who lives are being dramtically impacted, even though all evidence points to the fact they are are at less risk from Covid than the ordinary flu, or less than .0002 percent chance of dying. And yes, that number is correct. And yes, case rates have been escalating since Memorial Day. Deaths have not escalated at same rate. So we are a good 7 weeks since then, when do we say its evidence? After 12 weeks? If it changes, it changes. but i hope policy makers are not going to use numbers from NY and NJ in March and April to form policy moving forward

just curious...do you have any idea on the age of the new positives? Also, was there any other events in the area during that week? I have no idea, but assume tyou are saying no other events took place in Tulsa in the days around the rally. From your article

or maybe, just maybe, the areas where the peak had already occured, not much of a rise. But those areas where the virus was just starting? Like texas, Florida, and Arizona and California? Maybe it helped fuel the explosion in cases

So it took this chucklehead 6 minutes to finally getting around to “ good news is death rate keeps dropping “. And you can tell in his voice, he wishes more Americans would be dying. so he could be “ righter” Hope the door did not hit your backside when ya left

36 in Arizona today..Jersey with a spike to 71..something not right there. Still awaiting Cali and Texas...Florida at 49 btw

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/30/us/coronavirus-schools-reopening-guidelines-aap.html https://www.npr.org/2020/06/24/882316641/what-parents-can-learn-from-child-care-centers-that-stayed-open-during-lockdowns You need more ? Or is the American Academy of Peditrics not good enough? And in and article researched and reported by well known Trump mouthpiece NPR. sources like the conservative bastion Brown University and the YMCA have zero instance of transmission in child care centers catering to children of front line workers..you know the very people who are working with Covid patients everyday.

could be,,but age is obviously known, and i am sure any underlying conditions can be documented if teacher wants to stay home. But also see your point

so you agree with Trump schools need to be open in the fall?

you think schools should be closed obviously

and those teachers should be able to stay home and get full pay and benefits, absolutely. But remember, the demographic of child care workers vs teachers is much different, and child care workers and their families are in a much higher risk group...so that is why people will be okay with keeping schools closed and forcing kids into childcare...

good gif game, why you scared to discuss the subject? https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/07/03/big-factor-holding-back-us-economic-recovery-child-care/

but just you wait and see, the very same people and politicians who scream we need to keep the schools closed will be the very same screaming ne need more money for expanded capapity in childcare so people can get back to work...cause ya know, the virus will spread like crazy in school and the teachers and the teachers families will be at risk, but it checks itself at the front door of a childcare center and the care givers there and their families are immune to the virus.

i get that, an of course the most cases have the most death...but this weekend with the 3rd being a holiday we even more lag..1 death in Arizona...and unfortunately you had people using that number as proof Arizona had no issue! ( not here BTW).

I have had two tests completed, and a 3rd coming up end of July prior to travel. It is not what you see on TV..barely noticed it

This is an awful chart to use, especially after a holiday weekend. The Previous 3 days Arizona reported 17 deaths, then 5, then 1 death July 6th. So 4 day average =35. Now, lets see what happens next 3 days off that number...50 will not be a huge decrease, just as 117 was not a huge increase.

I will come to her defense, she is in an impossible situation as a mod. We have had a productive back and forth over the last week or so, and i do get many of her points as well. As I told her, i get so frustrated but the misinformation and let it get my ire up, and should not let that happen..that board or here.

Let me know when you present some cogent facts around positive test increases, hospitalizations and deaths in the spiking states and i will engage. Until then, continue on your political rant , and let your political ideology get in the way of rational discussions.

Okay, don't engage in discussion and defend your position, or advance the discussion only say " what about" . Do you deny what was stated in the article? And Why? Why is Florida spiraling out of control?Please use important numbers and not just positive tests. I will take a serious answer to any of those

Show me how Florida is spiraling out of control. And please use numbers that matter, not just case counts As to the bolded..follow your " good press conference equals good results mantra..i will take results. Cuomo is a politician, he was born to lie https://fee.org/articles/new-york-admits-to-intentionally-undercounting-nursing-home-deaths-after-changing-reporting-rules-report-says/

Uhmm, i am pretty ***** sure the uneducated ones are the person who wrote that article , and the people who buy it lock, stock and barrel..like you. Read this again and tell me pray tell what be wrong with it. Jesus I fear for our country Students in Tuscaloosa, Alabama, who have been diagnosed with COVID-19have been attending parties in the city and surrounding area as part of a disturbing contest to see who can catch the virus first,

I be right behind ya!

Never said any such thing..what i said is a guy who has been in charge of a state with by far the most deaths in this terrible mess should not be taking victory laps. He made mistakes, he should admit them as he so bolded screamed from the mountaintops yesterday. Mistakes have been made , and will continue to get made..but to lecture others when your mistakes cost thousands of lives is beyond the pale to me. And as I said, Cuomo fans ( which i was until about a month ago)have become worse than Pats fans..almost glee in their voices now that other parts of the country are experiencing spikes in cases...like they would rather people get sick...i just don't understand it

is there a pneumonia vaccine? One I have put off has been shingles, and getting signed up for that!

See, we found something to agree on! And that @YoloinOhio needs to go tot he emergency room! BTW, i have volunteered to be in a test group for the vaccine..and while not in the high, high risk group..58 with a scooch of high blood pressure puts me in a bit of an elevated risk. Anything i can do to help this country get through this, i am willing to do.