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so in other words the actual numbers are wrong, and cause you FEEL the unvaxed are the cause of spread they should be punished...real world date be damned?

Ole Polancarz said in his mask presser...43% in hospital in Erie County are fully vaxxed...so i think i will believe him more. Cases in NYS 11/24/20...5400 Cases in NYS 11/22/21 with 71% vax---7200 25% more covid cases with vax than without. seeing those numbers you still blaming on the unvaxed?

as i was discussing with @The Frankish Reich, if you believe they work, especially as a therapeutic and prevent hospitalization as advertised( we know they dont stop transmission)...lets say a factor of 6x more protection against hospitalization(CDC said 29X in August)...if those in hospital in Erie county are 55-45 unvaxxed to vaxxeded...it means the vast majority of cases have to be in vaccinated people. It means this is a pandemic of the not yet infected, not a pandemic of the un Vaxed. Explain these numbers...same day last year and this year in NY. A 25% increase in cases this year in New York State with one of the highest vax rates in the country. So, we gunna rely on scientific papers or real world numbers....tell me again how Vaccines prevent transmission of Covid? And please use empirical proof cases November 24 2020...5478 Cases November 22 2021...7214.. a 25% increase in cases year over year...with https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/new-york/

I don't believe my logic is flawed, but i will admit i am using an arbitrary number as to added protection for not needing hospitalization. If we go on basis of no added benefit from vaccine in terms of hospitalizations, then I agree with your premise. And i appreciate you going through it, and not only hurling insults like your boy who shall remain nameless. And let me ask you this question. Here is Florida's chart with 61% vaxed...did the vaccines really work as advertised? Ny case rates appear the same. New York appears to have same number of cases as last year at this time...again with vaccines

first, i do not believe my take is statistical illiteracy, unless you believe the vaccines at this time offer zero added benefit when it comes to severe illness that needs hospitalizations. The CDC itself says it "much less likely to need hospitalization" in its November update. If you take them at face value, assign a value as to what that added protection"much less likely" would be, and there is no other conclusion than in pure number of cases vaccinated have to be higher than unvaxed. Lets say that number was 6X...unless there was 6X more vaxed people than unvaxed, one would expect the percent of people in hospital to be much more skewed to the unvaxed....and we are no where near that. If that logic is flawed, and it may be, i am open to hearing why it is. My real problem in all this is the absolute religion of "vax is our way out of Covid".. and it has become a religion at this point. If if was gunna lead us out of the Covid desert, we would not be coming up on a full year of vaccines and still talking about mask mandates and shutdowns like Polancarz . We were pretty close to same numbers last year as we are this year at same point in time all across the country, much like we saw in the southeast in the summers of 20 and 2021. But Florida has 61% full vaxed, and WNY has 63% this year.. how could they have been close to same numbers? Maybe seasonality plays a part? If its 100% Delta, and the Vax is the exact same...why we expecting different outcomes? I got Covid 4 1/2 months after my second shot...we gunna go down to a booster every 3 months? Once a month? We know this thing is going to be endemic, it is coming back around seasonally as we see...and it is not because of unvaxed people. It is because its endemic, the vax is prolly like the flu shot and somewhere around 50% effective, and people are gunna die of Covid every stinking year to the end of time. We need to move on, vulnerable people need to protect themselves as best as possible and make decisions on how much risk they are willing to accept.

again, you are freaking buffoon.

you are a buffoon

Hey look it, a real answer! Was that so hard? Thank you. BTW, according to the Erie County Heath department, 64% are fully vaccinated, so would have to adjust your numbers accordingly. The issue is your Dr Fauci comment. Yes, it is absolutely the issue that everyone from Fauci to Wallensky to Biden to Gupta to name just about any agency said , and to quote the CDC..."29 more times likely to be hospitalized if not vaccinated"...29!!!!!!!!. https://www.cnbc.com/2021/08/24/cdc-study-shows-unvaccinated-people-are-29-times-more-likely-to-be-hospitalized-with-covid.html I will even give ya a mully on that stat, here is the updated research on the CDC website.(.ya see they dont use numbers anymore , only vague terms? Wonder why) https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/why-measure-effectiveness/breakthrough-cases.html What would you think would be a " much less likely" number ...8x less, 10X less...what number , pick one. Does not really matter. I mean at least a factor of 6 would you agree? So if that is true, the sheer number of cases in vaccinated people has to be far outweighing the number in unvaxed people. Only way the numbers do not work is if we say the vaccine is essentially useless after a couple of months.

Yep, about what’s to be expected. Can’t defend your arguments and resort to the insults. It’s too bad really far left mental acuity really does leave something to be desired doesn’t it

Okay, again, I asked where my logic is wrong. Please expound. y’all have been great to say what an idiot I am without actually refuting the premise. I am open to hear your logic.

Heard his lawyer yesterday in an interview on his advice to Rittenhouse. He told him “change your name, lay low, no interviews , and just start your life over again.”

Okay, so you can’t answer the question, or tear apart my logic, or defend your position. and you think my critical thinking skills are bad? again, just tell me where my logic is wrong. I am assuming your reluctance to answer is an admittance my premise is correct and all ylu can do is hurl insults. poop poster indeed.

Okay, point out my ignorance with logic. Why the slurs? I am open to listen.

Okay, so as reported in the Buffalo Mews quoting Polancarz at his pressure yesterday. He was using Erie County Health Depatment stats. https://buffalonews.com/news/local/mask-mandate-returns-to-erie-county-and-tougher-restrictions-could-be-next/article_0eba6bbe-4bb5-11ec-a005-4b32f29ac94b.html#tracking-source=home-top-story-1 so, you believe all 3 are not good sources of info? If so, must mean they lying about all thins Covid. again, explain how hospitalizations can be roughly 55-45 when the vax was supposed to keep out of the hospital. And if that is true, than the VAST majority of Covid cases in WNY right now is in the Vaxed , not the unvaxed.

Do explain please. I asked show me what I am missing. 55-45 in hospital right now. If vaccines keep you out of hospital at a huge rate compared to unvaxed, it has to be vast majority of cases are in vaxed people. explain why that logic is faulty. I forgot, you troll when you know you are wrong. Such a simple person. Such a simple mind.

Uhm, so I am not to believe Mark Polancarz or the Erie county health department? or not believe Fauci that getting a vax greatly reduces the chance of serious illness and not needing hospitalization? Which source should I not believe?

Hey @Sundancer, have a question for you. If the whole point of the vaccine is it prevents hospitalization and severe illness, and yet 43% of those hospitalized in Erie county are fully vaxed, what is wrong with the following statement. A high percentage of those vaxed who get Covid do not go to hospital, so if hospitalization rate are roughly 55-45, the vast majority of Covid cases Has To be in vaxed people. Just has to be. what am I missing? pandemic of the yet to be infected way more than of the unvaccinated.

here was a post by @Gordiolong time ago LOL! Not sure if all this accurate, but may help!

Bills lots are all numbered, not private ones. Here is a good map of the different lots around the stadium

I have never parked over there, so of little help. @Gordio parks in a Bills lot on that side and believe says if you hustle right at the end game and get to car quickly pretty easy out onto Southwestern, which turns into TRansit...and get to airport from there. Prolly a much better plan than other ways, but i will let him describe as i am really not sure what lot it is. Now, in terms of getting there on Sunday morning if you park at that lot. I don't care what waze or google maps says, you want to head over the Skyway(rt 5) to Milestrip rd(179)...take that to a right on Mckinley Blvd...about a mile to a left on Brompton...take that to left on Southwestern. Only thing is I have never crossed through the light at Southwestern and Abbott on game day morning, so not sure if a pain in da tuchus or not!

My response will always be Hammers. Get there by 8, and you will be fine. if not, I would suggest any numbers of lots, all of them are fun. ECC lot is fun, grass/ mud lot is crazy, maybe not for younger than 16 though. much will depend where you are coming from and where you are going and how fast you want to leave after game.

Amazes me to this day we rely on PCR tests to first determine if you are positive even if asymptomatic, and then require quantum’s etc. But once you are determined to be positive then they say said test is much to sensitive and could detect virus even though you are no longer contagious if you don’t have symptoms. I just don’t get the logic.

Don’t see no Graphene Oxide on here @Kellyhero68 https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/different-vaccines/Pfizer-BioNTech.html scroll down a bit to list of ingredients.

They prolly advertised the garage sale on Facebook and Nextdoor, and set the price by looking up comps on the inter webs! You obtained your cash at an ATM that uses the internet to complete transactions! Depending on the age of the bike, if less than 10 years old, all parts on bike were procured using the internet, sent over from China on a ship that most likely used the internet to schedule delivery!