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Im glad someone gets it.

In 2010 there were over 10,000 fatalities due to DWI In 2010 there were over 11,000 fatalities where a gun was used, taking suicides out of the figure. Where are the efforts to ban alcohol and more strictly regulate it? Surely something must be done.

Ever notice how "fair share" only goes one way? That the rich have to be fair to the system and pay more to be "fair", yet somehow putting limits on a welfare queen (sorry, honey...if you can afford a 56" LED TV, you can afford milk and eggs) or asking a CSEA employee to kick in 1% toward benefits or telling an illegal immigrant they cant have the same access to public services a taxpayer does (free tuition for them but I gotta pay??!!??) is off limits. How does that work, exactly?

Obamaphones, the DREAM Act and EBT cards. Go.

I wish I was rich enough to hire The Rock to kick Tasker's ass.

Hey man, we are just debating the race. Thats all. And it wasnt much of a "race" to debate, so we are on to the other topics of the event.

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For some reason, the other thread was locked. Not sure why, the debate was fine and civil. IMO, she ran a good race, but I dont see where the "history" is here as far as women participating in motorsports is concerned. As I pointed out in the other thread, there have been a lot of other women in NASCAR over years, dating back to 1949. Further, women in other pro motorsports, namely NHRA Drag Racing have accomplished MUCH more than Patrick has AND in less time and with fewer team resources. IMO, shes a media creation. Thoughts?

Whats "different" about it? Both are the professional classes in their respective categories, racing against the best competitors in National events in front of tens of thousands of fans and broadcast on national TV, using the absolute best equipment out there, with major sponsorships bankrolling the sport and the individual competitor's operations. No, there arent many women in NASCAR at the moment. But there have been quite a few before Patrick. Again, she ran a good race yesterday. Started at the pole and stayed in the front the whole way. She did good. But shes NOT the pioneer many are making her out to be, Im sorry.

Exactly. Ive been watching women kick butt and take names in NHRA for decades. Ive seen them win events, Championships, etc. In every class of the sport, too. In the biggest and smallest events. And some with a paintless car (ie sponsorless). So to this observer, Danica being in first for a few laps and coming in 8th at Daytona, while nice, isnt something to wet my pants about. Wake me up when she actually WINS something.

Your idea of "history" is leading for a few laps. Mine is actually winning the event. I guess we have a different concept of what makes a good accomplishment.

Excuse me? First of all I said she ran a good race. I just dont think what she did was "historic" in any way. Second of all I gave you real examples from other professional racing categories to illustrate how the way Patrick is portrayed in the media is out of kilter with the reality of her actual results, especially when looked through the prism of other women drivers and their accomplishments. So please explain how giving these examples shows I know nothing about racing.

Loved the stories this AM about how Danica "made history." What a joke. She did nothing out there. Ran a fine race, no surprises and held her own. But "history?' Please. Meanwhile, no fewer than FIVE women started in the three pro classes in NHRA yesterday, with Erica Enders winning Pro Stock and last week, Courtney Force winning Funny Car. AND they managed to enter and win without making sleazy TV commericals or acting like a primadonna to the press. I get that NASCAR is bigger than NHRA, but the slobbering over Patrick minimizes the accomplishemnets of other women drivers...and worse, ones that actually WIN every now and then.

Call me nuts but Ill take the business plan of my competitors, even my bad ones, any day of the week.

Then Plugola should have cited law enforcement instead of coming off like a know it all blowhard. Even Trident had the good sense to cite "4 out of 5 Dentists" when it came to use of their product.

Not to use an old cliche but the "masses" loved Hitler and slavery at one point, too.

Thats the same simpleton thinking that gets us "youre a racist!!!!" if you say anything against Obama. I hate to wake you up, but politicians ignore the fact they agree with their rivals and bash them on the issue anyway pretty much on a daily. Nobody likes getting advice from people who dont know what the !@#$ they are talking about, yet act as if they are, even if in the end they are correct. Its pomposity in its purest form to do so. So unless Hairplug Joe has some stats from experts on gun handling, hunting, and home crime to cite to back up his rant, he should shut the !@#$ up. Its like some blowhard car salesman giving you tax advice at a cocktail party. Even if hes right, hes still annoying the **** out of you. And if you then go over to your wife and say "Hey, Joe over there, a car salesman, said we should refi the house!", your wife would say "Put the beer down and call our accountant for tax advice, you moron."

You mean you dont like like getting told what you "need" from one guy with fake hair and fake teeth and another guy who spends $1,000,000 to play golf with Tiger Woods?

She want to have bigum banks pay back in wampum?

The fake indian.

Thats some quality critique right there. Please....continue.

Anyone catch the last line about legal status having no bearing on one being a citizen? Beautiful.

Anyone else less than excited about Gabby Giffords being rolled out as a prop once again? I heard Ted Nugent is going. GOD, I hope he sits next to her.

Theres a Code Pinko t-at I see driving to work all the time. Id run the hole off the road, but I dont want waste a perfectly good fender on her.

I was paying a compliment.