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He does. And I knew what he meant.... I just took my shot becuase its not often I get the chance to correct him on something.

I think you meant a 30 degree turn

Im looking at the coverage in CNN and in the picture there, it looks like the gear was down. But this is wild speculation on my part. From the ATC transcript, he was cleared to land after establishing himself on the landing system. OK...so maybe this....if he was at about 2,500 feet, he was either configured for landing...or configurING. Wheich means flaps coming down and gear coming down. Could it be that maybe a flap or other control surface.....even the gear, jammed when coming down? If so, that could cuase a lot of problems at slow speed and with the icing condistions, would be compounded pretty bad. Last trasmission was acknowledgement of turning and establishment instructions. 15:17 - 3407: left 260, 2,300 til established and cleared ils 23 approach, colgan 3407 Oh and I dont buy the witness "engines sputtering" thing. EVERY accident witness account for EVERY accident out there includes mention of "engines sputtering."

It does, of course. But it only works if its turned ON. The FIRST thing the NTSB is going to look at in the wreckage is the control panel containing the de-ice switch and see what position its in. And even if it WAS on, if conditions were really bad, it may not be effective enough. Even a little bit of ice will cause any plane to drop out of the sky like a rock. I just read that even 1mm of ice on the leading edge will cause a wing to lose 25% of its lift. And being this is a prop plane, its even more sucesptible to icing, as propellers are little wings, just turning sideways. So get ice on their leading edges and not only do you lose lift, you lose thrust. Bad.

I think it had to have been ice. He was about 5-6 miles out from landing. So he was on final approach and the aircraft was configured for landing. Gear down, flaps 30 or maybe even 40 (fully deployed). It also means he was at or close to minimum flying speed....maybe 20-30 knots above it, max. So IF it was ice and he lost lift, there was virtually no extra energy or speed available to him Ice is THE worst. Even a little can cause a wing to lose major amounts of lift. Sad event.

Spitt Schmitt....I think its Karma for the bull sh-- job he did playing for the Mets.

Youre wrong.

Hopefully it ends with me selling my piece of shyt used Prius with a dead battery to my wife for some money Ill blow on strippers and booze.

This !@#$ing thread rules.

Um, nbody is saying that "nothing" should be done so Im not sure withere the Laissez-faire comment is coming from. Nor is anyone saying that corprate tax breaks are the "solution" to whats going on. Frankly, Im curious as to why youre even mentioning it becuase the tax rate has little to do with why this mess took place to begin with. Youre stuck on "trickle down" as if those against this bill see it as the be-all end all to solve our economiuc woes. We dont. Thats YOU...who see THIS BILL as THE ONLY solution to get the economy moving again. So in short.....what the !@#$ are you talking about?

Amen. Vastly UNDERrated movie.

Not realized, but proposed. Start with "cap and trade" and work down from there.

"Country ahead of party", huh? Its the "Republicans" making things though, huh? http://www.redstate.com/jeff_emanuel/2009/...s-negotiations/ You and people like you disgust me. At least there are SOME on the left like "yla" and I beleive even blzrul and others who can at least admit whats going on with this bill, led by Pelosi and Reid with the complicit nodding along by the in over their heads idiots in the Obama WH, is a !@#$ing travesty.

Prius/hybrids were not brought to market as "green" vehicles, but as "high mileage" ones. Oh sure.....they have tacked on "less polluting" to their marketing plans NOW. But orginally? No. On edit.....the original objective of the Prius WAS partly environment in nature. But that was in 1994, according to wiki. Im talking now....what "solution" put forth NOW does NOT involve some "tax" or "fee"?

Ill believe SOME of this Global Warming crapola when one...just ONE of the so-called "solutions" doesnt involve some kind of governmental money grab.

I realize Im a conservative hack. Whereas you think youre objective and "telling it like it is." WHO is really clueless here?

You are !@#$ing scary.

Funny how the left wants PALIN to "keep talking." Fine. Keep Schumer, Pelosi, Reed, that idiot Geitner and even Mr. "errrr.....ummmm", himself yapping away. It will pretty much guarantee the GOP's return to power in four years.

On a day when four US servicemen get killed in a roadside bomb, that !@#$ Helen Thomas has the never to say "so-called terrorist." Die, already. Just......die.

Saying the basic economic swing cycles are to never work again if this bill isnt passed is in touch with WHAT reality? Maybe the "reality" in that round sphere in the movie Event Horizon, where people rip out their eyes and eat maggots.....but certainly not in THIS reality. Yeah...maybe thats it...Obama's a really big Sam Neil fan.

Bruce is my favorite Bill, but LT wins this one.

Stop effing drinking and go answer my question about your TV, darnit.

Youre so dense it took you THIS long to figure out I wasnt being NICE to you? Back on topic: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...0502766_pf.html The Fierce Urgency of Pork By Charles Krauthammer Friday, February 6, 2009; A17 "A failure to act, and act now, will turn crisis into a catastrophe." -- President Obama, Feb. 4. Catastrophe, mind you. So much for the president who in his inaugural address two weeks earlier declared "we have chosen hope over fear." Until, that is, you need fear to pass a bill. And so much for the promise to banish the money changers and influence peddlers from the temple. An ostentatious executive order banning lobbyists was immediately followed by the nomination of at least a dozen current or former lobbyists to high position. Followed by a Treasury secretary who allegedly couldn't understand the payroll tax provisions in his 1040. Followed by Tom Daschle, who had to fall on his sword according to the new Washington rule that no Cabinet can have more than one tax delinquent. The Daschle affair was more serious because his offense involved more than taxes. As Michael Kinsley once observed, in Washington the real scandal isn't what's illegal, but what's legal. Not paying taxes is one thing. But what made this case intolerable was the perfectly legal dealings that amassed Daschle $5.2 million in just two years. He'd been getting $1 million per year from a law firm. But he's not a lawyer, nor a registered lobbyist. You don't get paid this kind of money to instruct partners on the Senate markup process. You get it for picking up the phone and peddling influence. At least Tim Geithner, the tax-challenged Treasury secretary, had been working for years as a humble international civil servant earning non-stratospheric wages. Daschle, who had made another cool million a year (plus chauffeur and Caddy) for unspecified services to a pal's private equity firm, represented everything Obama said he'd come to Washington to upend. And yet more damaging to Obama's image than all the hypocrisies in the appointment process is his signature bill: the stimulus package. He inexplicably delegated the writing to Nancy Pelosi and the barons of the House. The product, which inevitably carries Obama's name, was not just bad, not just flawed, but a legislative abomination. It's not just pages and pages of special-interest tax breaks, giveaways and protections, one of which would set off a ruinous Smoot-Hawley trade war. It's not just the waste, such as the $88.6 million for new construction for Milwaukee Public Schools, which, reports the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, have shrinking enrollment, 15 vacant schools and, quite logically, no plans for new construction. It's the essential fraud of rushing through a bill in which the normal rules (committee hearings, finding revenue to pay for the programs) are suspended on the grounds that a national emergency requires an immediate job-creating stimulus -- and then throwing into it hundreds of billions that have nothing to do with stimulus, that Congress's own budget office says won't be spent until 2011 and beyond, and that are little more than the back-scratching, special-interest, lobby-driven parochialism that Obama came to Washington to abolish. He said. Not just to abolish but to create something new -- a new politics where the moneyed pork-barreling and corrupt logrolling of the past would give way to a bottom-up, grass-roots participatory democracy. That is what made Obama so dazzling and new. Turns out the "fierce urgency of now" includes $150 million for livestock (and honeybee and farm-raised fish) insurance. The Age of Obama begins with perhaps the greatest frenzy of old-politics influence peddling ever seen in Washington. By the time the stimulus bill reached the Senate, reports the Wall Street Journal, pharmaceutical and high-tech companies were lobbying furiously for a new plan to repatriate overseas profits that would yield major tax savings. California wine growers and Florida citrus producers were fighting to change a single phrase in one provision. Substituting "planted" for "ready to market" would mean a windfall garnered from a new "bonus depreciation" incentive. After Obama's miraculous 2008 presidential campaign, it was clear that at some point the magical mystery tour would have to end. The nation would rub its eyes and begin to emerge from its reverie. The hallucinatory Obama would give way to the mere mortal. The great ethical transformations promised would be seen as a fairy tale that all presidents tell -- and that this president told better than anyone. I thought the awakening would take six months. It took two and a half weeks.

Id tell you youre like on the border of Rettatta territory....but then Im sure Id get some response about me being "against noodles" and "demeaning to eggs" (or whatever the !@#$ was in that hell-soup made by that lunatic).

What the !@#$ does time in office have to do with it. If anything, the short amount of time before resorting to the tactics make it worse, considering he should have it still fresh in his head that he blasted Bush for these things that hes now doing. Or did all the coke Barry the Community Organizer snorted back in Chi-Twon kill his short term memory? WHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Mayor Nagin can refer to a whole city as "Chocolate", I can refer to Barry as such. Shut up.