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We need to keep Spiller fresh for his Super Bowl run with the Saints in 3 years.

Norv Turner is the offensive equivalent of Wanstache. No WAY!!!!! No WAY!!!! No WAY!!!! They both should be giving Jimmy Johnson a cut of every paycheck.

I put together a well researched post. Then you called me. I then highlighted the scenario and pointed out it is unlikely any of the QBs threw an interception with 3 mins left in a game that their team had 3+ point lead. You then must have a realized it is very unlikely that those QBs threw an Int with 3 mins left in a game that their team had a 3+ point lead and now you're trying to back out. If its not worth your time to get facts to back up your statements than its not worth your time or any one else's time to post "its not worth your time to get actually facts. " Don't call someone out if you're not willing to back it up.

In a game the Bills had no business keeping close. 7-3 in the 2nd Quarter with a 1:45 to play in the half. 4th and 2 and Houston 4. FG Attempt. To quote the Future Tuesday Morning QB that will be out on the 6th. "TMQ wrote Houston wins" Why not got for it??? If you can't get the two yards for the 1st down or the 4 yards for the TD. The Texans have to go 96 yards in a 1:45 seconds. That is how you play to "Not Lose" as opposed to playing to win.

1.) Why would you ask me if I'm going on record? Clearly I am on record I wrote it down. 2.) Why would you then summarize what I wrote incorrectly? It is a challenge for you to find as many instances where the players mentioned did this: It shouldn't be too difficult. It is a very specific point in time in the game and point differential by the teams playing. A NFL QB has to understand the game at hand, the position on the field, the time left and the situation and NOT throw a risky pass. Its a job requisite. There was an earlier thread about the class of 2004 which Matt Schuab is a member. The Texans are the favorite in the AFC and are mostly a young team that is positioned for multiple Super Bowl runs. If he gets two rings he will be a HoFer. I agree. It is amazing that the only QB class to have more than 1 multiple Super Bowl winning QBs is the class of 2004. And Rivers and Schuab may still get a ring or two themselves.

Yes you do have to find every time the QBs mentioned threw an Int with 3 mins left in the game where their team had a 3+ point lead. That is going to be an extremely short list and be may be null. That level of incompetence doesn't happen often in the NFL. Atleast by players that are still in the NFL.

Keep reading: Also stop hugging Fitz' junk so hard. Its getting embarrassing for you. We did trade up in the 2004 draft. The Irony is BECAUSE we traded up in 2004 we missed out on Aaron Rodgers in 2005.

Fitzpatrick made the decision to make the throw in the Titans game. Chan Gailey and the defense did not make that decision. This is the NFL being good for 14/15ths of the game is not good enough. It is very unlikely Andy Dalton, Christian Ponder, Joe Flacco, Jay Cutler, Josh Freeman, Brandon Weeden, Matt Schaub, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Alex Smith or Russell Wilson would have made that stupid throw. It was the act of QB that doesn't know how to win games. It was clearly a poor decision pre snap and post snap. Fitz admitted to that in his post game interview. Yes the defense is horrible but you turn that play around to an incomplete pass elsewhere on the field or to a clearly from a pre-snap read to post-snap wide open TJ Graham. The Bills win that game. This is not horseshoes you don't get to be a close at being a good QB. You either are a winner or a loser. Fitzpatrick finds ways to lose games. You can't hang that on the defense or coaching. Those decisions Fitzpatrick makes when looking the pre-snap and making his reads. Yes the defense gets the Lion share of the blame for that loss, but we knew the defense couldn't stop the run before the game and we knew the Titans had Chris Johnson before the game. Fitzpatrick has to be smart in that situation to make the play to win the game, knowing the defense can't stop the City Honors Football team from scoring. He made a poor decision and turned a win into a loss. The job of the QB is turn losses into wins. The Bills, without trading up, were not in the position to draft a 1st round "Franchise QB" unless you count Cutler or Flacco on that list when it was their turn to pick in the NFL draft for the last 13 years.

That goes without saying. Every statistical study of the NFL draft has come to the conclusion that each pick on its own is a 50/50 coin toss. There is no advantage to picking 1st over 32nd as fas as finding a successful prospect goes. They only difference is the 1st pick has 31 more options of the 1000s of College Prospects. That doesn't mean you sit around with the coin up your arse.

Good point. I forgot about the short week.

Valium is a good suggested. I need to get on that, you think if I explain the situation to my local pharamists they'll hook me up? "Listen did you see the way that Kenjon Barner just meandered through the USC defense for 321 yards? That defensive effort is going to look like the Steel Curtain of the 70s compared to what's going to happen to the Bills today. Do you think I can get a couple of happy pills?"

As I am getting my preparations for Hurricane Arian (beer, tissues, gauze) and the 200+ yard rushing "effort" that is approaching Bills Country I realized, as a GM would you really want to start a mid season D-Co against one of the most dangerous offenses in the NFL? How bad would it look if you fired your D-Co then proceeded to have your defense ripped for the next two games. @Hou and @NEP is not exactly a good starting ramp for a new D-Co. From Buddy's comments to Warrow its clear he is not pleased with our Booth babe D-Co. I haven't seen anyone mention this before but maybe Buddy was smart enough to say, "I'll let Dave take these two thumpers coming up, then I'll have my new D-Co start at home against against the Dolphins less than prolific Offense." Maybe just Maybe there is a slight hope for a Defense coaching change. Reading Wade Phillip's comments about a coach adapting to his players it is clear Wannstache doesn't get it. This team on paper has way better talent than the worst defense in points given up per game in NFL history.

1st Round QBs Buffalo Passed on since 2000 Clearly this team needs to find a QB that can lead the Bills out of this decade plus long playoff drought. Fitz looks like a solid backup QB but isn't a "Franchise QB." My definition of a Franchise QB is a QB that CONSISTENTLY finds ways to lead his franchise to wins that without that QB playing would be losses. In the 13 drafts since the last playoff appearance how could they have never used the first pick they had in the first round for a QB? How could they have only taken 1 QB in that time period and done it at the high cost of a trade (2004 2nd {Julius Jones}, 2004 5th {Sean Ryan TE}, 2005 1st {Marcus Spears})? I originally thought I would be upset by all the misses. That is not the case. It appears that Buffalo is cursed. Here is a list of the 11 "1st round" QBs from 2000-2012 that were available when the Buffalo Bills picked in the first round. * Year Pick Team Player 2004 22 Buffalo Bills J. P. Losman 2006 10 Arizona Cardinals Matt Leinart 2006 11 Denver Broncos Jay Cutler† 2007 22 Cleveland Browns Brady Quinn 2008 18 Baltimore Ravens Joe Flacco 2009 17 Tampa Bay Buccaneers Josh Freeman 2010 25 Denver Broncos Tim Tebow 2011 8 Tennessee Titans Jake Locker 2011 10 Jacksonville Jaguars Blaine Gabbert 2011 12 Minnesota Vikings Christian Ponder 2012 22 Cleveland Browns Brandon Weeden What is strange is from 2000-2004 the Bills selected the only "1st round"; QB that was actually available when they picked. Yes JP Lossman was a debatable pick. Yes the fact that a QB wasn't drafted in the first round shouldn't immediately remove him from the list of missed QBs i.e. Drew Brees, 2001 #32 pick by the San Diego Chargers or Andrew Dalton, 2011 #35 pick by the Cincinnati Bengals. However I am going to limit this conversation to QBs that were actually drafted in the 1st round. So looking at the list are there any QBs you would actually want on the Bills'; roster? Flacco over McKelvin now seems like a no-brainer today (you can also remove the "Flacco over" part of the sentence and it still works.) 2008 was the middle of a JP Lossman vs Trent Edwards QB battle. Would throwing another QB in the mix be a smart thing? Especially one from the QB factory of the Delaware Blue Hens? I'm personally a big Josh Freeman fan. I would love him in Red, White, and Buffalo Bills' Blue. However, go back in time to the year after the 2009 fast start. Trent Edwards looked like a QB, he got his bell rung in Arizona but at the time with an off seasons' rest, you could expect he could get back to where he was in the fast start. Clearly Trent edwards never was able to recapture that high level of performance on the field. The team needed sacks and Brian Orakpo was the no brainer pick. (Let’s just leave the completely indefensible, recklessly stupid Maybin pick conversation to the side.) 2010 Tim Tebow (That is all I will say about that.) 2011 & 2012 the Rookie Salary pool changes everything about drafting a QB in the first round. A team is no longer tied to the Huuuuuuuuuge salary that busts like Jamarcus Russell got or borderline QBs like Sam Bradford. You can swing and miss on a QB with first overall pick and it’s easier to cut bait in a shorter time if need be, obviously you don’t want to do that but it doesn't set your franchise back like it once did. Now you’re seeing an influx of the “second tier” QBs go in the first round. I contend that Ponder, and Weeden would be 2nd or 3rd round guys prior to the rookie salary pool. Either way I’m not too upset with Dareus over the QBs available. Stephone Gilmore over Weeden? After the fast start in 2011 and the illusion of Fitzpatrick prior to the alleged cracked ribs, it wasn't exactly a no brainer pick (cue Buffalo Barbarian.) To me I can justify passing on Weeden at #10 overall and hopping he may drop to the second round. So there you have it. Is there really a QB the Buffalo Bills could have picked when they were up to pick in the first round? It’s not an open and shut case of GM ineptitude as I originally thought. It must be that the Buffalo Bills are just cursed. *The "what if" of Aaron Rodgers. So in 2003 the Bills had the statuesque Bledsoe in house, and Peerless Price left for Big Money in Atlanta and the illustrious Bobby Shaw took his place. Bledsoe was under contract for 2004 but clearly the end was near. I think everyone believes Roethlisberger was the target. (Another side bar Tommy Maddox had a decent season in 2003 who thought the Steelers were looking for a QB?) Roethlisberger went off the board two picks before the Bills. So what does Tom Donahoe do? Play it cool and wait for the #43 pick. JP Lossman likely wouldn't be there and you didn't have much on paper after that (debatably JP Lossman wasn't there on paper either but that’s another story.) A little known QB from UVA looked semi interesting, Matt Schuab. You had Krenzel and Sorgi but surely none of them were Franchise QBs worthy of a second round pick. The possible prospects for the 2005 QBs didn’t look strong at that point time. Donahoe made a bold move, he liked to play Fantasy Football in real life with the Bills; wheeling and dealing draft picks. So he made a bold move and traded a 1st in 2005 for a chance at JP Lossman. If he would have played it cool Aaron Rodgers would have been there in 2005. There is no way to known what could have been if Donahoe didn't pull the trigger on the trade and stay patiently at the #43 overall pick in 2004. Aaron Rodgers may have needed the years to marinate behind Favre to become the Aaron Rodgers we know today. Or maybe not. The Bills are cursed Well I’m glad I got that off my chest. I feel a little better about the lack of QB play for the Bills over the last 13 years. When will we ever get our guy? Maybe Tyler Wilson in 2013? http://espn.go.com/c...42/tyler-wilson (He talks kinda like Buddy.) QBs Drafted from 2000-2012 in the first round: I have a table but i can't figure out how to post it.

Pro Bowls are not the measure of successful drafting. Playoffs are the measure of successful drafting. Pro Bowls are a popularity contest for players on successful teams. That being said the Bills are on a decade long poor drafting streak of which has not been seen in any of professional sports. The worst. So what else is new?

Interesting. Well that is nice addition to the rule.

Better at getting therapy in the training room? I'm pretty sure you are not allowed by the NFLPA to practice if you are in IR. Why do you think Ron Brooks was practicing on IR?

I started a Poll earlier in the week. An interesting Prop Bet, who will have more Fitzy ints or JJ SWatt tipped passes. The poll is pretty tight. http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/151991-fitzpatrick-vs-jj-swatt/page__st__20#entry2619351

I'll take the Over.

Doubt he goes fron IR to active in a few days. Well there goes a trvia question has any other team activated a player from IR yet?

Ah yes that was our Fantasy Football GM Tom Donahoe.

English is the tool of choice on this board. Read my statement again and see if it applies to Ken Stabler? Specifically the "multiple" piece.

Whats unthinkable yet true is that the Bills defense is actually worse than KCs.

Stats wise Philip Rivers is the most consistantly impressive QB of his generation. I'm not saying he is a HoF now. I'm saying he is in the Fringe if he puts together a run to the Super Bowl. Schuab is far less likely but if the Texans win the next two Super Bowls then he will be a HoF. Every multiple super bowl winning QB automatically goes into the HoF. Rivers is not past his prime. When he is 36 he'll be past his prime. He is in his prime now. Just lost VJax, LT--, Sproles & Turner.

Eli = HoFer Roethlisburger = HoFer If Schuab takes Houston to SB possible HoFer RiverS fringe HoFer. Career trajectory might take to another city then he might make it a SB and the HoF JP Lossman = atleast Marv was trying to be relevant although he was clearly a 3rd round QB.

I think we are very often in a game situation to Blitz. I think you mean we do not have the personel to blitz?