1B4IDie

It would be very symmetrical if Kilo were on the Bills and Shady on the Eagles in 2019. Not that Kiko would be a great fit but just a poetic ending.

Good news if it’s just a break. Hopefully that is accurate and he is ready to line up in the off-season.

and all season. He is a product of draft culture. They need to hype the draft early and often. If anyone bothered to watch him play you see a kid that needs a lot of work to make it in the NFL. I hope Beane and team can see through the hype.

Vea is one of those beasts that shoot up the draft charts as you get closer to the draft. Especially if they perform well in the combine. Not to many human beings that are that size with athleticism. That being said, come McShay, you big dummy. If you don’t put QB next to one of the Bills draft picks in the 1st round you’re not paying attention

I figured theyd just wrap his hand up in a club and send him out there to collect tackles. I havent seen any update anywhere.

I love how everyone knew you discount future draft picks during the Sammy Watkins trade and now completely forgot that future draft picks lose value in a trade discussion during the 2017 trade down. "What do you mean you discount future picks?" The Bills did not get as much in the trade down as compared to historical trade downs made by actual NFL GMs. The chart is not a "point system" to judge trades. It is a way the actual GMs in actual NFL teams can have conversations and asses relative value of the draft picks. Actual GMs use some type of chart to asess relative value evidence by the fact that most trades line right up with numbers in the chart.

I know how to do math. It is funny how the pundits knew how to discount future picks during the Sammy Watkins trade but forgot on the White trade. It does matter as a fan. Do you want the Bills to win more games or less in 2017? I'd like the Bills to make the playoffs in 2017. How does that 2018 1st round pick help the Bills win more games in 2017? It should be discounted by fans because the time to value on wins, which is what Fans should care most about, is delayed.

That is embarrassing No you're trying to tell me that I told you the chart is infallible. I never said that. You've taken your scarecrow argument back around full circle. Incorrect. We're not debating the success of the players in the trade. We are discussing the value that the Bills organization received for a #10 overall pick as compared to historical NFL trades and trades in the 2017 NFL draft. The Bills as compared to relative NFL trades did not get as much value as other NFL franchises have received for their picks. I hope White and the 3rd round pick this year and the 2018 1st round pick are Hall of Famers. I believe that the Bills should have gotten one more crack at a Hall of Famer based on the relative value of the #10 overall pick and the #27 overall pick over time.

I've shown many times that it is true. You would need to remove any standard discount on future picks in order for the numbers to work. Which shows the Bills didn't value their #10 in alignment with historical NFL trades by actual NFL GMs. They gave Andy Reid a deal he couldn't refuse and the Bills didn't get as much in return as other GMs get in return for their draft picks.

Infallible? Now not only are you making a scarecrow argument, you're inventing new nonsense words. The numbers on the chart don't matter. Real NFL GMs use the chart to determine relative value. The actual value is irrelevant. The Delta in the value from one pick to the next is important. The reason why actual NFL GMs still use the chart today is so that you and the other GM can agree on the relative value of the draft picks. It is not "infallible" it is a guideline. In some cases, for example when there are multiple suitors for a pick the trade may be closer to the guideline like with the Bears. In other cases when a GM is on the Hot Seat and the new HC is involved with a trade with their mentor they may decrease the relative value of the draft picks in order to get a deal done and look like they're doing something. The Bills did not get enough in return on allowing the Chiefs to move up 17 spots as compared to the history of actual NFL trades made by actual NFL GMs.

We also lost the trade value points too. So we didn't even get that.

It was a bad night for the Bills. They got too cute instead of just taking game changing talent like Lattimore they got the 7th best CB to start in 2017 and the Chiefs pick in the 20s in 2018. This is how you go 7-9 forever. They did just that. They used the #10 overall pick to draft the 7th ranked DB in the 2017 draft to replace Gilmore. 7-9 forever.

"Everyone knows" Really? This is your statement: Actual NFL GMs used the chart to conduct an actual NFL trade. However "Everyone" (non NFL GMs) know the Bears got fleeced, therefore the chart that is used to conduct the trade is inaccurate. That is a spectacular post you got there budy. Really amazing logic.

You are wrong. The delta is 400 on the chart and the Bears gave up about exactly 400 You're a clown.

It's pretty standard. It is math. It is not some type of opinion you can debate. Run the actual numbers in the 2016 draft. Run the actual numbers in the 9ers trade. Oh - wow actual GMs in 2017 use the chart. shocker!