JimBob2232

Not really a prediction, but here is the draft order (as I calculate it)..assuming Dallas kocks off stl 1. Houston 2. NO 3. Ten 4. NYJ 5. GB 6. SF 7. Oak 8. STL 9. Buf 10. Arizona

The bills will pick 9th in the Draft, unless St. Louis beats Dallas tonight. If St. Louis wins, Buffalo moves up a slot and will pick 8th. And THAT is the final word. FYI Draft Order (before the St.Louis/Dallas game...I assumed Dallas wins) 1. Houston 2. NO 3. Ten 4. NYJ 5. GB 6. SF 7. Oak 8. STL 9. Buf 10. Arizona

Assuming both win, this puts us in a 3 way tie with ARZ and DET for the 8/9/10 slot if st louis wins, and 10th if Dallas wins.

Thats why I said..all you need to know... TEN over JAX SF over HOU STL over DAL Thats all you need to know.

Thanks JDG, at least someone else here has actually run the numbers...and came to the same conclusions as me.

Your whole basis is completly flawed... As of right now, our SOS is around .500 and stl is around .480. Those are the numbers. The STL game MATTERS. (assuming one believes gaining an extra draft spot matters...)

It does matter...because the rams have a HORRIBLE SOS. While what you say is true, the rams are still well below .500 SOS. If they win today they have 6 wins and will fall below buffalo. One week does not a season make.

Oh, completly forgot STL has to play yet...but yes, between 7 and 10 is likely (could be 11th if somehow detroit passes us in SOS) So...Bottom line...rooting Chart for this afternoon/tonight Ten over Jax StL over Dal SF over HOU This gives us #7 HOU over SF gives us a coin flip with ARZ for 7/8 EDIT: HOU over SF (with above scenario) gives us a 3 way tie with DET and ARZ for 7/8/9 (assuming MIN and PHI win)

Actually, we are 10th. We can get 9th if tenesse wins, and some permutation might exist for us to overtake arizona in SOS (currently .504 to .500). SOS changes with every game. in this link it was .504 to .500 in favor of Bufallo, now its in favor of arizona.

I can try MIRc, it just seems odd since I have often been in gametime chats...new software?

I also cannot get in. I get to the screen where it says enter user name/email, and then it doesnt load from there. Tried Firefox and IE and no luck...any ideas?

Well...sounds like a perfect fit for DA RAIDAS

Dont get your hopes up. Every year things get turned upside down in this league. Our schedule was supposed to be pretty tough this year...its not. NYJ were supposed to be good, they are not. Tampa Bay was supposed to be horrendous, theyre not. Look all over the league, there are suprises everywhere. You cant base ANYTHING on next years schedule.

What you guys are missing is that Holcolmb is going to be 33 opening day next year. He is not young. He IS NOT THE FUTURE of this franchise. JP may not be either, but holcolmb is NOT.

The problem is that Mularkey is not in the mindset of developing a QB. He is in the "win at all costs (to save my job)" mindset. This is the problem. Also dont discount the possiblity that JP may actually BE injured.

Dont forget he will be 33 years old on opening day. He is no spring chicken

Well, I did pretty well considering I lost Deuce McCallister, Javon Walker, Darrell Jackson and Micheal Clayton dropped dead. No playoffs in my league, just 17 weeks. I am sitting pretty at 8-8 right now, might win next week as my opponent has Peyton Manning and David Gerard on his roster.

I think bringing Favre in here to mentor losman could be the BEST move. Losman is in love with Favre...and could only help the kid get better.

Exactly guys. This year proved NOTHING. JP knows that, we all know that. I think he can be a great QB in this league...but he needs to PLAY

I know...had to try though..it was too good to let go.

Do Kelly Holcomb and Mark Campbell count

Tennessee - 113 (Plays MIA, JAX) Detroit - 113 (PIT, NO) Arizona - 113 (PHI, IND) Buffalo - 113 (CIN, NYJ) NY Jets - 116 (NE, BUF) Baltimore - 118 (GB, MIN, CLE) Now, if buffalo goes 4-12...the jets get 5 wins. You have to assume detroit will beat NO. Baltimore is crushing GB at the moment, so assume 5 wins for them. That leaves Ten, Buf and arizona as the only teams with 4 wins. Unfortunatly GB is losing...so they stay ahead of us for now. They can beat Chicago, and seattle should be resting week 17. I honestly think, SOS in our favor, the draft goes like this. 1) SF - Bush 2) Hou -D'Brick or trade down 3) NO-Lienert 4) GB 5) Buf

I believe we came to the conclusion that this was wrong because it only calculated SOS based on the games played instead of on the entire schedule...

Oh, but yes they are out of the running...Hou plays SF week 17, so one of them will have a maximum of 3 wins...

a) Houston plays SF, guarenteeing one of them will have 3 wins. More importantly, one of them WILL have 13 losses, thus the #1 overall pick CANNOT be buffalos. b) The true value of the #1 pick this year is not reggie bush, its being able to trade out of the #1 slot and get a TON for it. c) Buffalos stength of schedule is weak, and thus will pick above all the other 4 win teams (assuming we lose out and SOS does not change). d) GB/NO/SF/NYJ/HOU are the only teams tat can finish with less than 4 wins, and thus the only teams which CAN pick ahead of buffalo (again assuming we lose out, and SOS remains the same). GB plays Baltimore tomorrow, and will play a resting seattle team week 17. The jets play us...so if we lose out, obviously they win game #4. NO plays detroit next week, a very winable game. So its VERY PROBABLE if we lose out, we wind up with the #3 pick behind HOU and SF. Now, that said, #3 is a tough spot, have to see how it plays out, but it might be hard to move from there unless there becomes a clear top 3 candidate. Right now, Bush and Leinert are (in my opinion) a clear #1 and #2, but #3 becomes somewhat fuzzy, and thus teams will be less likely to desire the pick. Should be interesting.