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I like Collinsworth but it is incredible how much people are influenced by announcers without them even knowing it. Yah he got abused on the int play. You would neither care or notice if Edwards sidestepped or just didn't throw a terrible ball into double coverage. I thought live that the RT got beat and was holding on that play but the tv guys didn't zoom in on that.

Seriously. At some point the kool-aid crowd needs to come to terms with the fact that this isn't a Levy or Dungy team that is all but trying to lose in August. They just look overwhelmed at the line of scrimmage as they have for the last several preseasons.

The WR core and Brown as your RB1 are two reasons not to like it. That's just the price you pay for a 2nd round QB. Not sure it's worth it. RB depth is solid - McFadden and White are nice value picks. Grant & McCoy are fine for where you got them imo.

This may sound sacrilegious, but I've just about had enough with the Houston game. The Bills played so many wild games from '89-93 that have been all but forgotten. I'm glad Bills_Cody on youtube has posted some of them.

I don't think I'd be into fantasy football nearly as much if the Bills didn't consistently suck the last 10 years. It's a crucial back-up plan that I have some control over. If that doesn't work either, there's always alcohol.

Like: McNabb - Cuse Peyton - you can tell he knows his football history Palmer - kinda like Peyton, is also open about his dislike for the Steelers which is good for the fans. Still feel bad for that injury too. Everyone forgets he completed a 60yd pass on the play he got hurt - who knows how that game would've played out. Romo - wouldn't be on any dislike list if he played for another team. Choker moniker is a dumb. Dislike: Rivers & Cutler - come across has D'bags. Same for Delhommme to a lesser extent.

Yah what do the reviews of John Beck & Cedric Benson look like?

Football Guys and Football Outsiders are both solid. I don't pay for either but they're both well respected. The former has an active message board for free. Also Fantasy Football Calculator has ADP's and quck/easy mock drafts you can join in seconds without registration.

Agree on all points. Jones is solid but doesn't belong in the "90's difference-maker" category. I'd be curious what he was rated last year when he was coming off a flukey low TD total behind a worse OL.

Probably because it only lasted half a season.

Yah plus the Chiefs is basically all 90's too and their 95/97 teams weren't as good as they made them out to be imo. In the '93 title game they mentioned the Henry Jones int as a huge turning point (we were up 20-6 at the time) but the Thurman fumble the following week is like completely glossed over in a 13-6 lead. Final score of both games 30-13.

#10? Well that's lame.

Agree on all points.

I remember that game vividly cause we were battling the Chiefs for the top seed. Actually caught a rare break when Thurman fumbled before the goaline but they gave us a TD. That team really shouldn't have won 12 games - seemed like our opponents missed about half their FG's that year.

Him & Palmer were both hurt last year. I think he'll be back. But he's no TO.

Didn't realize this was such a media event. WTF? They don't even release the schedules by division.

"Depending on how the OL plays" is the correct answer. The problem is fans still always see what they want to see. The legion of JP apologists on this board in the early part of 2007 was a really good example. Our QB had plenty of time to throw in the first two games vs. Denver and Pittsburgh but it was somehow described as "JP running for his life" before he got hurt. I would say if the OL isn't any worse than last year with the weapons he has on the outside now, it's on Trent.

This thread isn't closed yet?

Some analysis of who I like and who I don't like relative to where they're being picked based on several mocks I've done: RB's I like Brandon Jacobs - The Andre Johnson of last year imo. The guy puts up monster per game #'s in a great situation but scares people cause he's missed a few games. Whatever, the RB position is demanding and gets guys hurt. He should be a 1st round pick, so if you can get him in the 2nd, feel good about it. Beanie Wells - Don't worry about what the depth chart says in the preseason. Hightower sucks and so does Edge at this stage of his career. He's going to be the man on an offense that's going to score a lot and you can get him in the 5th or 6th round. Cedric Benson - I think this is a bounceback year for the Bengals with Palmer and Cinco healthy, and a better OL. Obviously the upside is limited here because Benson is limited, but this is another 6th round value guy who will be getting the bulk of the work in a decent offense. Rashard Mendenhall - He was a high pick last year and has dropped since hurting his shoulder last year. When you're a RB that's not the worst injury to recover from. RB's I don't like LT2 - I don't think it's crazy to argue with me here on the basis that he's been #1 overall for so long and has now fallen and maybe presents some value now. But RB stardom usually does not last longer than 3-4 yrs - it ends abruptly and I'd rather be a year too soon than too late. You'll probably have better options around the 7th overall pick. Pierre Thomas - I know I'm in the minority on this one. Dude put up sick #'s in limited action last year in a prolific offense. I'm just not confident enough in him sustaining that to take him in the early 4th where I'd have to pick him, partially because of some of the RB's listed above who are available later, and partially because you have to pick him over Ryan Grant, Marshawn Lynch, and/or Kevin Smith which I wouldn't do. Knowshon Moreno - Shannahan is gone which is a plus for fantasy purposes, but that's not good enough for me. Backfield is super crowded and he always gets picked before Wells. WR's I like DeSean Jackson - The progress WR's make between their 1st and 2nd years is usually a lot. Most WR's suck in their 1st year. This guy was good in his 1st year. This guy is available in the 5th round or later almost always. I'm not saying he's Calvin Johnson but there are some similarities there. Donnie Avery - The Rams could be better than people think. OK I'm only saying that cause Football Outsiders picked them as their sleeper. But he's a talented #1 target usually available in the 7th. Guys like Lance Moore and Hines Ward who go higher than him shouldn't imo. Lee Evans - If you're not in a league with a bunch of Bills fans that's good because most FF players hate him for his inconsistency. What can I say - I'm a believer in the single coverage thing. He'll be a fine WR3 for your team. WR's I don't like Dwayne Bowe - Another talented #1 target. I actually think he'll be ok with Cassell but if I miss out on Boldin or Colston (and sometimes he's even being picked ahead of these guys), I'm not taking this guy for the sake of taking a WR in the 3rd round. Not when I can grab a nice QB or RB or even Witten and get a WR like Marshall, Williams, or Cinco a round later. I sorta feel the same way about TO, Welker, and TJ Housh but especially Bowe because he's usually the first of that group taken. Michael Crabtree - You can get him in the 7th or 8th, but I'm still not taking him over Walter, Coles, or Hester. Sometimes you take young guys for the upside but save yourself the trouble and don't bother with rookie WR's. Thoughts on QB A panel of Yahoo experts said unanimously that Romo is the most overvalued QB. I find that absurd. Yes his #'s will drop without TO, but by how much? His #'s can decline and Matt Ryan's can increase, and Romo can still have the better year. He's not even being picked that much above Ryan either. Don't hesitate to grab McNabb & Schaub - they're going to put up nice #'s. Sure they have injury concerns but so did Rodgers before last year and he's shot up the charts to the #4 QB and is no longer considered risky. I dunno, I think the other two present better value - just invest in a solid back-up like Palmer, Cassell, Orton, or even Edwards. Thoughts on TE If you can get Witten, great cause he's gonna have a monster year. If you miss him and get Gates, Gonzo or maybe Clark, ok. If you don't get 1 of these 4 guys don't bother taking Winslow or Cooley - you're better off adding RB/WR depth in that spot. There's too many TE's available late who will put up similar #'s - Zach Miller, Kevin Boss, John Carlson, the guy in Minnesota to name a few.

I might quibble with a few of your teams but all in all that's a good way of looking at it. Schedule, health, and luck usually dictates the variance.

His return skills are difficult to replace. Josh Reed's skillset as a WR is very very easy to replace, which is why as somebody finally mercifully pointed out on page 4 of a pointless thread yesterday, we could not get a 5th round pick for him if we tried.

So a few years ago we did a "BuffOrange grades your lunch" thread with moderate success. I thought since I've become more of a fantasy geek than I would prefer, we'd try this. If you are so inclined, post your team and I will assign a letter grade. As many details as possible would be great like unorthodox rules, scoring, draft position, etc. Number of teams in the league and starting requirements are essential. Keep in mind a 'C' to me isn't terrible - it's average. Alright then. Go

I think he was content with where he was at. Fewer political/media games, good enough $, was able to just focus on what he loved as a coordinator. I'm a little surprised there aren't more guys like that.

You guys overestimate some of our players' trade value so much it's insane. We can't get a Maryland Crab for Josh Reed.

Yah those divisions could end up being overrated. We don't know. What we do know is that the Rams/Raiders/Chiefs/49ers/Seahawks sucked last year. It's going to be more difficult this year even if Carolina/Atlanta/Tennessee take a huge step backwards, which I half expect anyyway.