BuffOrange

So ridiculous that someone has to say this every time Gruden's name comes up. He took an Oakland team that was nowhere and they made the SB the year after he left. He took an already good team in Tampa and won the thing. Two completely different scenerios, two successful outcomes. That's no different than what Dungy did in his two jobs. His Indy teams were of course more consistently good with Peyton freaking Manning who he inherited. Fortunately for him they choked a half dozen times in big spots before winning the thing, so nobody thinks of it as Jim Mora's team. Of course Mora wasn't the Colts GM; and neither was Dungy for the Bucs.

I agree. Of course there is the occasional bomb like JP, but every team has that. The Ravens traded up for Kyle Boeller in the 1st round. Wasn't it rather obvious that Pat Williams was essential to the run defense and that Jabarri Greer could play? I mean it's one thing to not want to pay Greer, but they went out of their way to try to keep him off the field when he was here. That's not even hindsight; those moves were 1st guessed by most people who watched the games.

I am a little more optimistic than most that I could get a top coach if I opened the checkbook. The idea that nobody would want the job because it's Buffalo (as if the city is any different than Pittsburgh or Cleveland) is the sort of inferiority complex that needs to stop. It's also ridiculous to think they can't afford a good coach. What's a few mill in the grand scheme of things? I don't think you'll have much luck getting any of them if you don't let them hire the assistants they want though. No litmus test from me if I'm interviewing, other than Bobby April stays.

Best thing I've read/seen all year. Including any of the games of course.

Where's he currently getting his 2nd RB from? I would make that deal I think.

Definitely Thomas. Tampa vs. STL isn't enough of a difference to play the secondary back over a primary guy.

My God this is the most tilting argument ever. "I'm not defending Vick, but I'm defending Vick".

I loved the Collinsworth reaction: "Really"? And I love all the donks like Mike&Mike accusing people of "hindsight" when they're the very people who act like the 52yd FG was money in the bank - Akers has not been good from that distance the last few years and I doubt the likelyhood of converting the 4th down was much less. I thought the QB sneak was worth a challenge even though spots are rarely overturned. But video evidence doesn't mean much when Walt Coleman is involved.

I guess I don't understand the morality debate. He's a scumbag and whether or not he deserves a '2nd chance' he's going to get it from someone - we all know that. But like someone else said that doesn't mean I have to be the one that gives it to him, or that I have some obligation to feel good about rooting for him. And stop referencing the GB playoff game. Favre turned the ball over a billion times in that game and Culpepper won a playoff game there too.

I thought it was common knowledge that Harris and especially Devo left to support their kids by playing in Europe. Lets please not talk about them after every loss this year. We lost enough games with them to get to the NIT twice in three years (albeit it one snub in '07).

Addai and Moats.

Basically all correct. Only thing I would say is that RB is easily the most replaceable position on the field. It should be below WR on the importance scale. The problem with the Lions picking WR's was that most of them sucked, not that they were WR's. Megatron was obv. a good pick.

That is debateable. The 70's you can attribute to some of the sickest drafts and stacked rosters of all-time. But once those core guys got old they had one 10win season from '80-'91 before he took over. And 2.5 years of success in his absence is not nearly enough of a sample to minimize what he did. See Walsh-Seifert or Johnson-Switzer. Anyway, interesting article. Who knew BB talked to members of the media?

+2 can't believe anyone fell for this.

Good example of the fast food mentality mentioned in the other thread... Orton is a "winner" because his team is doing well after 7 games. Grossman was carried to the big game. Not coincidentally one of these is fresher in your mind because it's more recent. Is it a team sport or not? Let me know how Orton is doing three years from now.

Yah, exactly. He'd also have the postseason win if Patrick Crayton wasn't horrible vs. the Giants (not surprising since Crayton is horrible in general). He wasn't bad in either game.

Remember a few years ago when the entire football-world insisted Hines Ward was underrated which made him not underrated anymore? Romo is the anti-Ward now. I've never understood the consensus obsession with calling him overrated when he's been ripped by everyone under the sun ad nauseum and nobody has said he's any good in about three years. And yet he is good. Not great but good. It is possible to be the QB for Dallas and neither be a HOFer or suck. Give me him on the Bills any day.

Along similar lines, my first thought was "How is this thread multiple pages long"?

I say we grab Shaun Alexander.

Devo is a loser who can't guard a lamppost. Can we lose a real game before saying "I told you so"?

"Jabari Green with the pick". "FG is good with 11 seconds left". "Atlanta is one of the beest 4-3 teams you will ever see". Congratulations if you had the 'over' on 2.5 Stuart Scott mistakes in a highlight.

Pretty blatant shove by White.

I usually hate these threads but not this time because it's more 1st guessing than 2nd guessing. I mean really did anyone here ever think Greer couldn't play? We really needed McKelvin. FML.

Byrd

Just like Jose Canseco, it is perfectly natural and predictable for the establishment to crucify this guy as a rat, a liar, and a cheat. And just like Canseco's comments were proven to be, I suspect that almost everything this guy says is true. And I'm not somebody who usually takes the "poppulist Buffalo sports fan" position of hating on the NBA at every opportunity. But this whole thing is a disgrace. David Stern is a joke. ESPN is a joke for practically sweeping the whole thing under the rug to protect their interest. It should be a much much bigger story than steroids.