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I couldn't disagree more. Got to pressure Vinny and stop the run. Let Nate earn his paycheck vs. Coles. I dunno, I'm just not worried about Justin McCareins.

Thanks for the timeline. Straw-man arguments are fun. What about those of us who didn't say much in the pre-season, during the Charger game, after the Redskin game, and quietly almost pity Cowboy fans (I said almost) because they're seeing the same girl I dated in 2002....the one that has big boobs and gives great sex in the honeymoon period of the first 2 months, before you find out in the 3rd month her friends are psycho, her parents are a nightmare, and she freaks out every time you hang out with your friends, plus has the IQ of Lavar Arrington.

Blatant hold on the play he got hurt. I love how the refs call 50,000 penalties but not that. Wade's defense really came up small again.

As long as they're not wearing green pants, the Jets duds are awesome.

I heard Mortenson earlier say there's better than a 50/50 chance SD will move to LA.

The throw to Evans that set up the 1st score may not have looked like a tough throw (because it really wasn't) but it was a 3rd down conversion and it's a play JP probably doesn't make. Same with the slant to Moulds that set up the last FG which was another 3rd down play (yeah he made the stupid fumble afterwords, but the end result was the same as a sack would've been). I'm not going to excuse the overall putrid 2nd half offensive performance, or say that Holcomb played great... But this is the NFL and in this league those 2 seemingly pedestrian plays are the difference between winning and losing. On those first couple drives there were a few instances where we threw incomplete passes on 2nd & short. If JP was in there 3rd down would've been incomplete and 50,000 people would be on here bitching about the play-calling. Instead the QB actually CONVERTED a couple of 3rd downs which led to scores, and so nobody cares about the play-calling on 2nd down. That's not to mention the 8 yard completions on 1st down that put us in favorable down&distance situations in the first place - which - who knows if JP could've done.

Agreed, Marv's a great guy but there's no question we win SB XXV if you switch coaches.

Apparantly not. I'm baffled by this lack of memory as well. It was 2002, not that long ago.

The Raiders were a 12-4 team in Gruden's last year. Yeah, he's not the first coach to take a bad team into a playoff team, but he's done it in 4 different places and he's done it with teams that were previously really bad.

Good God that's ugly. If we don't beat Oakland there's a pretty good chance we go 0-8 on the road this year. Looks like 5-11 to me.

This really should've been the end of thread.

He did go 10-6 his first year in Dallas after 3 consecutive 5-11 seasons. And that was a backfield occupied by Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick.

BTW, did you hear Bill Mass refer to "the drive" by Elway taking place "on this field right here"? Am I crazy or was that game in Cleveland? What a dope.

We beat him in 2000 at home and our 3-13 '01 team beat him in NJ I think. But yeah, he has a winning record against because of the '98 sweep and the 'Chad Morton' game.

Meh, from the TV it looked like Clements was only badly beaten deep on 1 play, which was a hitch & go to Chambers down the left sideline (can't remember if they scored on that drive or not). On the int he was just playing the ball and I think he knew he had safety help over the top. Ferrotte missed 1 deep ball to Chambers down the right sideline in which Milloy was inexplicably covering him 1-on-1, but other than that I didn't see him miss that many throws. McMichael was shut out other than the TD, which granted was a big play in the game; but I just don't think you can ask for much more given how completely non-existent the pass-rush was.

The Redskins did get some calls yesterday, but I don't think the NFL has gone out of their way to help Gibbs since he came back. Last year they got screwed on bogus interference calls at home in primetime vs. both Dallas and Philly.

Yeah, right on. As a meaningless sidebar I was oddly confident before the kick too, as opposed to the usual sick nervous feeling I get when he trots out there.

That's such a crock of 20/20 hindsight. With the way our defense was yielding yardage and our offense stalling, maybe you would've felt comfortable giving them the ball on the 37 yard line with a 3 pt lead....I wouldn't have. Making them drive the length of the field for a TD (and we STILL could've won the game with a FG had they scored and went up 21-20) was pretty damn significant at that point. In my estimation, making that FG increased our chances of winning from 50/50 to about 80/20. The two sacks? You've got to be kidding me. They had 50 yards to go in 20 seconds and no time outs. If we lose the game at that point, we ought to be kicked out of the league.

Because it would've been stupid to go for it or punt?

I don't care if they were playing against Todd Collins....the secondary was awesome considering they had zero help from the pass-rush. Whoever graded the DL an "A" in the Rochester D&C this morning is a baffoon. They should've been given a C or D as nobody outside of Sam Adams even showed up....give the secondary an A+.

That's ridiculous, and it's foolish to think Miami doesn't play differently only down by 3 on the last drive; plus they would've had better field position to start with. That kick was big time clutch.

Meh, I think the Jags are pretty much the same team as the Jets. They're a little tougher against the run but their pass rush isn't as good and they have problems scoring. I really liked them in this game tonight because they're at home, they need it more, and the Bengals have beaten up on High School teams so far.

Yeah, he specifically used the words "selfish" and "arrogant" to describe TO. It's something that's obvious to most of us, but it's not often you hear somebody in the mainstream media with enough balls to say it. I suddenly don't hate Theismann anymore.

The funniest part of the broadcast was Theisman thrashing TO followed by 10 seconds of dead air from McGuire & Patrick.

Awesome gambling day. Go Jags.