RuntheDamnBall

Actually if you read PPP from time to time you'd know my post has nothing to do with gays and everything to do with the world fawning over the guy like he's the second coming.

Don't you have a Patriots board to go to so you can discuss marriage proposals to Tom Brady? I hope your boys go down in flames, don't care when.

Knowing that this was Peyton Manning's year of destiny, or the year McNabb finally gets his, would make me feel a lot better about the Bills' finish. Colts or Eagles.

At least we've got the Sabres.

You must be talking about another kicker. He cannot hit anything outside the 40, which is why the staff holds his hand and tells him, "it'll be OK, we'll never make you kick more than a 38-yarder again." Then he proceeds to miss a kick -- NOT due to the wind, not a bad snap, not because of heavy pressure -- that is not too much longer than an extra point. He sucks and must go.

Agreed. Lots of room for improvement.

I think you're just blind to the fact that these players are tremendous.

It's not a "dick out, balls out" thing. It's about believing in your team's ability to do it, as gantrules has pointed out, against 2nd and 3rd stringers. It cuts both ways. I think it's pretty safe to say that Lindell's percentage in the clutch isn't much better than the offense on 4th down. At home, with the momentum, you go for the kill, especially if your kicker is a liability you've been trying to mask all year. It has nothing to do with Madden.

A right call without balls on home turf. If there were a momentum-meter, it would have swung all the way in the Steelers' direction with that call. We should have gone for it. We will in that situation next year. Edit: the only way that proves to really be the right call is that it proved what Lindell is (not) made of, and secures his release.

That was a total team non-effort, JSP. The D-Line got manhandled on that drive like we hadn't seen for most of the year.

It would be a useless waste only if we take a step backwards a la GW. Let's hope -- and believe -- that Mularkey is different and learns from all this. He got schooled, but getting schooled can also mean learning.

OK hold up a second. Isn't this b*tching?

If you want that, there are bigger candidates for elimination than those two. Kicker and starting QB come to mind. You're not going to find better players at LB and CB without screwing up the cap and other areas. Clements and TKO are at worst resilient and determined to play better after a mistake. At best they can turn the tide of a game for the better. I suppose you want to hand the jobs over to Josh Stamer and Kevin Thomas, though

You need to take Takeo (and Clements) off that list, man. Nobody wanted this more than him. The guy got a crucial interception. Clements almost turned the tide in our favor. What more do you want?

Yeah, let me rephrase that. The coaches coddled him and it got in the way of the truth: that this guy can't kick for sh--. You want Donahoe's biggest mistake, this guy is it. Someone in an earlier thread said that the Bills should be permanently carrying a top-5 kicker as we are the team that gave the world "wide right." They were too right.

My friend, I would put more money on YOU in that situation than on Lindell. He sucks with a capital S. Did we not say at the beginning of the season that this guy was going to cost us? It's too bad we had to let the coaches' coddling of him get in the way of the truth until the end of the season.

bump, to try and give this one another chance.

I agree wholeheartedly. We need the kid to step up. Does anyone else feel like if we picked up Kordell as caretaker we could be doing no worse than with Bledsoe? The guy has spent more years in the Mularkey offense, after all. Hey, don't shoot

I've thought all day about this. And this loss was incredibly hard to take. The team did not play well, officiating seemed to go against us at crucial points, and Mularkey called a game that was a bunch of, well, you know. Reasons to Bill-ieve? 1) Mularkey got out-coached, sure. But it was by a guy he has worked with for years, who has about 10 years of head coaching experience on him and has seen it all. On the flipside, Mularkey did take this team to 9-7 on a wing and a prayer. That bodes well for the future. He's seemed to learn from his past bumblings, hopefully this is a big one that makes him realize that he's playing in a league of men -- a truth every rookie has to face. 2) A truly healthy Willis McGahee in '05. 'Nuff said. 3) Lindell has just punched his ticket out of town. If that is not a good thing, somebody slap me. 4) A defense that was humbled and sees how much work it has left to do. If this doesn't motivate them to be #1 next season, nothing will. 5) Perhaps this makes the front office and coaching staff reconsider just a bit if they were rushing to judgement in cementing Drew's starting, perhaps even his roster spot for next season. At the very least, a game like this says to me that next year's QB competition will be an open one. I am hoping JP's up for it, as I think Drew has proven he can't win the big game. But I won't be a hater; I just want the best thing for the Bills. I think a preseason QB competition will yield just that. That's all. It was an ending that came too early in a rollercoaster season. I'm only sorry we have to watch the shlups in the NFC stumble into each other for a few weeks when the Bills deserve to be there more. But let's get hungry for next season. I'm counting the days.

"players all behind their coach.... with knives."

As mentioned earlier on the board, we got a round 4 pick for Darick Holmes. Repeat: Darick Holmes. How many 1300 yard seasons on broken legs did that guy have?

I don't think he has a no-trade clause.

My resolution: to make it to Buffalo for the Super Bowl victory parade! Happy 2005!

That's because he always seems to get hung out to dry over the middle by Drew. And even when he does get creamed he holds onto it. He has not been a number 1 tight end because they don't throw his way enough.

Anyone know what Lindell's cost to the team would be for cutting him / what his contract is?