dave mcbride

People don't mention sack rate and fumbles lost enough. Jackson has been sacked at a rate of 4.95 percent, which is actually pretty good, but Allen has been sacked at a 2.82 percent rate, which is amazing (the Jets would have had four sacks against any normal qb yesterday, btw). Jackson has fumbled it ten times and lost it five; Allen has fumbled it five times and lost it twice. Jackson has 9 total turnovers, while Allen has 8. Burrow has been sacked at a 6.77 percent rate and has fumbled it 10 times too (also 5 lost), so he has 13 total turnovers.

No, not Lock or Nabers. You misunderstood completely what I wrote. Daboll was selfish. Players are obviously going to play hard. It's the coaches who have the ability to dictate how the game will be played. Also, again, I guarantee you that virtually all Giants fans agree with me.

They should have handed the ball off more and not decided instead to feature their best player (by far). Nabers is the best receiver from this draft and a total stud. That is a choice that Daboll made. And here is the potential fruit of this decision -- falling to #8 in draft order if the Eagles rest all their key starters beyond Barkley (which they should and probably will do) and lose to the Giants: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6025775/2024/12/30/giants-2025-nfl-draft-pick-outlook/ 'But after Sunday’s 45-33 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, the future of the franchise is far less certain. The victory helped dropped the Giants from the top spot in the draft order down to No. 4. We don’t know if that’s where they’ll end up picking (more on that in a bit), but we do know they no longer control their own destiny as it relates to the draft order. And that means finding the quarterback of the future could be that much harder. Will they have to trade up to make it happen? With a roster filled with holes, that is not exactly an enticing proposition, even if it becomes necessary. And even if they want to trade up, will they get the opportunity? Giants fans don’t need reminding that the team tried and ultimately failed to move up in the 2024 draft and pick Drake Maye. Giants fans also don’t need reminding that the reason their team was picking at No. 6 last and not inside the top three with an opportunity to select Maye or Jayden Daniels was because they won three meaningless games in a row late last season behind QB Tommy DeVito. Now, after another mostly meaningless win, it’s hard not to feel like history is repeating itself. Was Sunday’s win a morale boost? Sure. Was it what’s best for the franchise’s future? Probably not. It’ll be a while before we know the price for sure, but it’s possible the ramifications of Sunday’s win could be felt by this franchise for a long, long time. ... [I]t’s still hard to dismiss the notion that the Giants landing their franchise quarterback will be that much harder now. Of course, there’s still the possibility that the team can move back up the board before the season ends. While the Giants sit at No. 4, according to Tankathon, their final draft position will come down to what happens in Week 18. Remember, strength of schedule is the deciding tiebreaker for draft order, and that’s working against the Giants. Because their strength of schedule is superior to the NFL’s other three-win teams (the New England Patriots, the Tennessee Titans and the Cleveland Browns), the Giants need help to climb back into the top three of the draft order. But they’d first need to “help” themselves with a loss to the Philadelphia Eagles in Week 18. That’s no guarantee since there is a high likelihood the Eagles will be resting their starters. Philadelphia clinched the NFC East on Sunday and is locked into the No. 2 seed. ... It’s also worth at least mentioning that if the Giants win against Philadelphia and get to four wins, they could fall even further down the board. Five other teams are sitting at four wins, and the Giants’ strength of schedule is better than four of them.'

No one is hiring Daboll as HC after this (I’ll bet you good money too) and he is employed by the Giants, who would have materially benefited from a loss today. Address the lottery issue: why do other leagues do it? I think you know the answer. Also, tell me a little more about Adam Gase’s subsequent NFL career after ruining the Jets’ 2020 tank, which prevented the 2-14 Jets from landing Trevor Lawrence. Someone does, and having the first overall pick means they can trade it for a boatload of picks. Look up earlier in the thread, where this is discussed at some length. Also, look at recent history — the Bryce Young and Trey Lance trades, to start. Then there is an organizational disconnect, which is a Giants problem. The best physical talent on the field today in that game was Malik Nabers, and the coach chose to feature him. That was a choice, and one that didn’t benefit the organization that employs Daboll and pays him a seven-figure salary for a 2-13 record.

Fins have the tiebreaker.

What outcome is objectively better for the employer paying you a seven-figure salary and which you have no reason to gripe about given the 2-13 record you’ve amassed? Lotteries exist in other sports for good reason: rational organizations gamed the old system because it was objectively in their interest to do so. The fact that NFL coaches are foolish in this regard does not speak well of their intelligence.

Two of my best friends and another good friend are very knowledgeable Pats fans, and they are thrilled that this might happen. The Pats are sure to trade down and get a boatload of picks.

Agree 100 percent. Winning is meaningless to them, and losing is very valuable — quantifiably so.

Tyrod played really well and had to handle 3 or 4 crap shotgun snaps.

Agreed

Come on. The Giants season is OVER, and they get absolutely zilch for winning. The only valuable commodity they get for being abjectly terrible all year is incredibly valuable draft capital — and the first pick in every round is as valuable as it gets in that realm. Coaches are members of larger organizations, and they have a responsibility to that organization to look past the shiny object in front of them — an utterly meaningless win — and focus on how they can help make the organization that employs them better for the long term. There is only path for that, and it ain’t winning a game in week 17 that gets you to 3-13. I also *guarantee* you that pretty much every Giants fan agrees with me. As would every Jets fan who remembers missing out on Trevor Lawrence and settling for Zach Wilson. Lawrence is good-not-great but certainly possesses franchise-level talent. Zach Wilson is an absolute bust. The fact that NFL coaches aren’t “wired that way” (ie, accepting that it’s ok to figure out how to lose without it being blatantly obvious) is frankly their problem. I suspect Mayo will put his own interest above his employer’s next week, but perhaps he’ll surprise me.

Bad teams without a QB (and there are plenty) will ALWAYS be willing to trade up for the number one pick.

The Giants’ victory today was a fireable offense for Daboll — totally selfish, and I mean that. It calls to mind the Jets beating the Rams in 2020, which caused them to lose Trevor Lawrence for Zach Wilson. Are the Patriots a smarter organization than the Giants?

He did that vs the Jets in 2019 when their seeding was already set.

Welp!

It really should be a co-MVP situation. Both are deserving.

Jets have 132 total yards through 3 quarters.

That was tipped — those are so hard to catch because it totally upsets one’s hand-eye coordination at the last second. I never fault receivers for those “drops.”

Go for 2 if we get a td, right? Makes it a 3-score game.

Players improve and get worse over the course of a season, so this isn’t surprising.

Gardner being active suggests to me that the Jets kinda hate the Bills. I think they’ll play hard.

Bills inactives: elam samuel hamlin grable morrow cine austin johnson

I do agree about his high sack rate. The line is trash, but a lot of those sacks are on him. It’s the one flaw in his game.

I’d argue that in terms of WAR/VORP, he’s the equal of anyone. That should be the guiding factor, but of course it won’t be. It’ll go to either Jackson or Allen for sure.

Skewed by early results. In the last 6 games, they have given up 181, 202, 112, 181, 198, and 153 passing yards. In terms of total yards given up, they have averaged 267 over that 6 game stretch (and just 16 ppg). They are arguably playing the best defense in the NFL right now.