dave mcbride

That was the meme about Michigan QBs from the 1960s through the 1990s. And the meme about John Teaford-coached QBs for about a decade or so. Then Brady and Rodgers came along. Never judge the school; always judge the player instead. Their best defensive player (arguably) -- Michael Bennett -- wasn't even drafted.

You're joking, right? Their games aren't even remotely alike.

The Giants will win at least one for Eli before it's all said and done. 3 of their final 4 are at home. He will be the top pick, and I can't imagine him not coming out given that likelihood. He's not at USC for school. Both his father and grandfather were college football players, and his mom is a phys ed teacher, for chrissake.

Makes a ton of sense (the Bills' interest, that is). As I've said elsewhere, Darnold would be a damn fool to stay in college because he's going #1 overall if he comes out. He'll learn more playing for a pro team next year (and be a lot wealthier) than if he stays in the Pac-12 regardless of whether he's a day one starter or not. Does anyone here think Jared Goff regrets coming out as a junior and taking his lumps for the Rams last year?

It's looking like Marcel is going to turn into a fifth rounder. That's what he turns into if he's on the roster at the end of the season and the Jags make the playoffs (which they will).

The fans will come around if they are in position to draft the next savior. I wouldn't worry about the fans right now. The team is 2-10, for chrissake.

That would be dumb. They are in prime position to land the number 2 pick right now. Of course, it's not like they were winning *with* Eli ...

I would argue that White initiated the contact and maintained it five yards downfield. You disagree. As for "mugged," it is a metaphor in PI parlance, and pushing a receiver who is backpedaling on the chest so that he falls backward on the ground is categorically a mugging in my book. It's not really debatable in my view. But again, it was a good play by White. The refs let a lot go with Gronk, and moreover the refs were calling it loosely yesterday anyway. It was a calculated gamble (because -- again -- it was objectively incontrovertible pass interference), and anyway, what did the Bills have to lose by that point in the game? It was over.

Enough with the insults. That sort of hand checking you cite occurs all of the time with all players (especially yesterday, a game in which the refs let them play), and it began at the LOS when White played him physically off the line, bumping him initially and then five yards later (technically illegal contact - watch: http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=21655874). White initiated the contact! At the end of the play, White initiated a no-doubt-about-it blatant push off (after pulling his jersey prior to this) that is usually called PI. It wasn't called in this case, and it directly led to the INT. Again, I think Gronkowski should be suspended and I think that White made a good play. But Gronkowski has a point. What you need to factor into your analysis is Gronkowski himself -- he is a truly unique player that gets roughed up all of the time partly because he's such a physical monster. He's basically uncoverable one-on-one otherwise. He continues to make tons of plays regardless, and I think that fact shades the officials' treatment of him.

I gather you hate the Pats and hate Gronk. That's fine. But I watch a lot of NFL football and feel confident in my judgment. Receivers initiate contact all of the time, and what Gronk did on that play was "within bounds," as they say. White then mugged him. It wasn't a dumb play by White because refs let DBs play a bit looser when covering Gronkowski, so it was an educated gamble. Gronkowski presents a problem for the league in that he's so dominating and physical that I think they feel they have to adjust the rules for him. To reiterate, I think he's the most physically dominating TE in all of league history. That factors into how the game gets called.

I think Darnold is going to be great. I'd also be shocked if he goes back to school. I've said it before, but I really suspect he goes #1 overall if he comes out. He's got it all, and his team wins with him in there. They were not winning prior to his taking the starter's job last year.

I do watch all of these players. None get mugged as regularly as Gronk. Granted, Gronk plays with a physicality that dwarfs these other guys, so I think officials may think he brings it upon himself. But no one in the league faces such constant mugging as Gronk. I am not defending him, and I don't view him as "poor Gronk." I am being as objective as I can be. The guy simply gets mugged more than anyone else. He also tosses people aside more than anyone else (because he's so damn strong), but often near the LOS. He is in my book the most physically dominating TE to ever play the game. I think the refs compensate a bit for this.

Doubtful. Baltimore is going to win 9 and they have the tiebreaker over Buffalo, and they have Baltimore and Indy (playing in Baltimore) coming up. I expect the Titans to win 10 too - they have the Cardinals and 49ers on deck.

It really is worse with Gronk, who was completely mugged on that play. To be clear, I am not making any excuses for his actions -- he deserves a suspension.

Hughes was 10 yards away from the official. Players b**#ch at officials and use foul language while doing it virtually every game. The refs have a vendetta against Hughes, and I thought it was a TERRIBLE look for the officials, who had just witnessed an act that would have led to felony charges everywhere outside if an NFL field or MMA ring. Disgusting that they flagged him.

Not to excuse Taylor, who I am ready to move on from, but this is just false. Corey Graham put them in the lead, not Manuel, and moreover Manuel threw a pass every bit as bad as Taylor's yesterday early in the second half in a goal to go situation. The Jags' LB simply dropped it despite it being gift wrapped. He was terrible in that game and was in no way the reason the Bills came close to winning it. Also recall that the Bills D stopped Jax after they inexplicably ran it up the middle four times after getting a first and goal at the one in the third quarter. Finally, Manuel completely choked on the Bills' final possession in that game, making the wrong read and a bad throw on the final fourth down play. He stinks.

It'll be interesting to see what happens next game. Not excusing Gronkowski AT ALL (and the Pats collectively got a lot more calls, so this is a borderline irrelevant point w/regard to the larger game), but my god was that blatant interference by White on that play (and a good play by White at the same time, if that makes sense - he knows Gronk gets fewer calls because every contested route with the guy is a brawl). Anyway, that should always be called. He really does get interfered with or held constantly.

If you don't think that most NFL players don't take HGH on a regular basis, I don't know what to say. There is a REASON why the league, after years and years of saying it's going to crack down, never, ever does. Half the league would be suspended! Look at the guys on the field. It's not all weight lifting and protein bars, I can guarantee you that. Incidentally, I thought this was common knowledge. And I have absolutely zero problem with HGH use in a sport like NFL football. If they banned HGH, the injury reports would be a mile long every week. It's the dirty secret of HGH - it heals muscle tear injuries really well. These guys get muscle tears on a weekly basis. Also, put my on the (very) high end of the estimates of the percentage of player using HGH: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2602986-players-say-the-nfl-has-an-hgh-problem-even-if-peyton-manning-isnt-part-of-it

Hard to take NFL policy re PEDs seriously when most of the players likely take HGH regularly while the league continues to make noise about it and yet do nothing. I have no problem with players taking HGH, btw; it's an ideal medicine for minor muscle tears, which tons of players sustain every week in what is at the end of the day a brutal game. We fans want to see players play, after all.

Looks like Baltimore is getting a wc.

This is true, but it could be said about a lot of college defenses among the top 50 teams or so. They generally play zone and leave players wide open on every play.

You are mischaracterizing what I said about Spiller. Revisit what I said above. He is not in my good-to-very good slot. Re the bolded part above, I'll take that as a white flag (because it applies to offense too!). Like Nixon and Vietnam (and me at halftime in my VHS tape of the fourth super bowl loss), I'm declaring victory and getting the hell out.

The evidence is not overwhelming, and moreover you didn't provide any beyond anecdotal listing that is divorced from comparative context. As an experiment, I suggest looking at Bills' d-line picks in the first two rounds going back to 1970 and see how they panned out. Al Cowlings, John Parrella, James Patton, Dee Hardison, Scott Hutchinson, Eric Flowers, Ryan Denney, Walt Patulski, Phil Dokes, Aaron Maybin, and (I fear) Shaq Lawson -- the results probably won't be pretty. And let's not even talk about the QB position, where Todd Collins is the norm. My very basic point, which you have not refuted, is that RB is an easier position to project *relative to other positions*. This is because the athletic skills for the position are obvious and the positional demands limited in scope relative to other positions. For one, the rushing routes are a lot less complex than receiver routes, and they are less dependent on the qb for production than receivers. Again, the Bills have drafted 11 HBs. 8 were good to really good. 2 had flashes but disappointed. 1 had Guillaine-Barr syndrome. Also, in what world was Deuce McAllister not a good player? He ran for 1700 yards one year and had 4 1,000+ yard seasons. Addai had two excellent years too - twice at ~1,500 yards from scrimmage and PFR AVs of 15 and 14. Yes, he faded relatively fast, but he was a good player for a time.

The goalposts haven't been moved at all. You're just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point.

I don't have any evidence for this, but at the end of the day I think Darnold comes out. Too many people think he's the best prospect in the draft, and I think he'd go #1 overall if he leaves SC. I don't see how he can turn that up.