dave mcbride

Why, 3rdand12, are you laughing about what I said about Kelly’s 1996 season? Did you watch that debacle? The Bills were a 12-4/13-3 team with a decent qb; Bruce Smith had his best season ever that year. He had 47 pressures, for chrissake, and that defense was dominant. Kelly was really, really bad that year. Not sure what you mean.

He has always sounded reasonably intelligent to me.

What dumb stuff does he do off of the football field? The fact that he has saved all of his NFL money is unique in a league where lots of players are broke shortly after leaving the league.

I actually don't t think Gronk is dumb at all.

Tyrod Taylor was a better quarterback last season than Kelly was in 1996. Kelly was awful that season. I watched every game, and he was a wreck. Just to be clear, I'm not saying Taylor had a good year this season.

See my post above about 1996. The Bills were also 15th in passing yards and 9th in passing TDs in 1986.

C'mon Gerry. The 1996 group wasn't bad. People thought Reed might have lost a step after the 1995 injury, but remember him outracing the entire Giants secondary in game 1 for what turned out to be the decisive TD? Or how about Quinn Early destroying BB and Parcells on the decisive 3rd and 18 play in game two when he raced through the coverage for the winning TD? (This was after the Pats, in a flight of hubris, foolishly agreed to assess a holding penalty against the Bills on third down; otherwise it would have been 4th and 8). Both of those guys not only put up FAR better numbers than anyone on the Bills this year, they were a LOT more talented. And when I say a LOT, I mean a LOT, especially given the injury status of Benjamin. Let's not forget that Early was a talented player who had two good seasons for the Bills after an excellent '95 season in NO. Really, it's not even close. Reed had over 1000 yards and averaged 15.7 ypc (plus a 65.3 percent catch rate!), and Early had 800 and averaged 16.0!! The problem that year was not the receiving corps; it was a decrepit Jim Kelly followed by an even worse Todd Collins the next season.

AD, I respectfully differ with you on Foles in the Philly-LA game. I know the numbers weren't impressive, but he made a couple of very impressive throws into tight coverage on third downs late in the game to seal the victory. He only threw it ten times, but he made some quality plays in that game against a very good defense. As for the final game of the season, they were in injury prevention mode. They had already clinched home field and the game didn't matter.

Not sure this was posted yet, but it's a really good analysis: https://www.patspulpit.com/2018/2/7/16974084/super-bowl-52-new-england-patriots-philadelphia-eagles-film-review-malcolm-butler-gilmore-bademosi

He threw for 321 yards 13 months ago while playing with this injury (January 1, 2017). I suspect he will be fine. This is not normally a career-ending injury.

He played well for KC in 2016. His bad times were in LA under Fisher, who also oversaw terrible performances by Keenum and Goff.

Who is their owner again?

LOL - "rivalry." This from a 3-13 franchise that hangs this from the ceiling of their stadium:

Did the horse have Beef-a-rino beforehand?

Indeed!

LOL - "All of which is to say: Sean Mannion is already a 2018 MVP candidate." He played well in limited time in KC too last year.

I sort of can't believe I'm saying this, but upon looking at the meager offerings, I'd put Orton second. I'm not saying he was good. Just better than the others. I love Fitz as a person/idea, but he was a painful-to-watch turnover machine at the end of the day.

yup, I was talking about 2016. My apologies. (They were in fact seventh in points after week 16 last year, right before that abortion of an offensive performance in the final game of the season.) He fumbled FIFTEEN times. He was terrible.

It is truly laughable. It almost makes you think that anyone claiming such never watched the games. Bledsoe's performance in 2003 was one of the worst in team history. He was a qb who was entirely reliant on having an elite receiver, and when Moulds went down and later came back gimpy, he couldn't overcome it. That team had seven games in which they scored 10 points or under - and this is after they scored 69 points in the first two games. Say what you will about Taylor, but his receiving corps was even worse than the Bills' corps in 2003, but he at least maintained his league average 89-90 passer rating. The Bills had 3 games with 10 or less points not including the playoff game. In 03, Bledsoe was sacked 49 times, had 11 TD passes, 12 INTs, and fifteen-count-'em-fifteen fumbles.

After his first 8 games, Bledsoe was HORRIBLE. In his final 2.5 seasons, his passer rating was under 75. That is hard to do unless you're really bad. Taylor didn't play in the final game. They were 7th in points after week 16. It's an open and shut case and not debatable. They had very few defensive points in 2016. They had zero ST points and two TDs (Nickell Roby Coleman v the Rams and Aaron Williams v AZ). They were 23rd in the league in generating turnovers too.

He just had an epically great game. He was unbelievable last night. This sort of stuff is just ridiculous.

I thought he made two absolutely terrific throws into very tight coverage that sealed the game. Not easy throws at all even though they weren't long ones.

See my edit above about KC last year. Objectively, the numbers are really good, and it's the same system as Pederson's. So I'd say that he's only really struggled in a) a classic pro-style offense and b) cold weather games (e.g., the Dallas game this year). Not sure you watched the Rams-Philly game this year, but he was very good when he came in in relief.

But you'd agree that in the right situation, he can excel, right? Looking back, was there a worse system for him than Jeff Fisher's Rams' offense? They ran a straight-up Air Coryell offense that year, which is about the worst system possible for a player like him. PS - in his limited time in KC in 2016, he was actually pretty good: 3 games, 410 yards, 8.5 ypa, 3 TDs, 0 INTs, and a 105.9 rating. That's an Andy Reid offense too, which again is a viable and reasonably common offense in the NFL now. The additional thing is that Belichick clearly struggles against Reid's system.

He is a definitely a system qb under Pederson, but it's a viable system.