dave mcbride

Have people forgotten how genuinely good he is? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BeckOd00.htm Teams put up with a lot when a player is this damn good. He is also only 25. I expect him to have a huge year.

Re: the bolded part above: here's the problem for the Bills with making a trade with the Colts at that time. It was not clear at all at the time -- and remains unclear now -- that the Giants weren't going to take a QB. Now it seems more likely that they WILL take a QB, and it even seems quite possible that that Darnold and Allen (who I have a hunch are the Bills' two top choices) will both be off the board by #3.

Watch the play linked to above in which Tyrod is strip sacked by Bosa in the second half. You may rethink your view.

Why insult people? What is the point of that? It's not funny and just makes you look small.

What's the film on Mills in the second half? Oh, that's right. 6:25 mark:

The Bills don't have a real quarterback at present. End of story.

I see your point, but I'd factor in that the current situation is unique: the Bills need a qb, they have 5 of the first 65 picks (and two first rounders), this appears to be the best qb draft since 2004, and there's a solid chance the Bills won't get any of the top dogs. It's a situation that is bound to breed a zillion threads on essentially the same subject.

Quinn Early made one of my favorite catches ever (early 1996) - a 4th quarter slant and go on 3rd and 18 that he took 63 yards to the the house after Parcells and Belichick bizarrely took a holding penalty instead of letting it go to 4th and 8. They were so confident that Kelly couldn't make a play that they figured they'd get better field position by taking the penalty. It was the go ahead TD, and the Bills ended the game in the last minute when Bruce Smith sacked Bledsoe with the Pats inside the Bills 10 yard line. For that reason alone, he is by definition not the worst signing!

They paid $65 million for three years of elite-level production to a player playing a premier position (pass rushing DE). Yes, it was a good signing. Is this really even debatable? You have got to be kidding. He was a first team all-pro in 2014 -- the first Bills player, along with Dareus, to achieve that distinction since the 1990s.

Wilkerson was terrible this year and was suspended multiple times for lack of effort (after his big payday). Yes, and a key reason he fell because a myth had sprrwd that Jon Tedford's qbs were successful in college because of his system, which made them look better than they actually were. Classic example of looking at the school or the system first over the actual player.

Willis Mcgahee had 9813 yds from scrimmage. Close enough!

Wilkerson didn't try last season. It was a Mario-worthy effort.

Allen was 6.7 ypa this season, although he was 8.3 the year before.

I agree, and I stand by what I say above regarding the severe limits on talent acquisition at a godforsaken place like Laramie, Wyoming.

yup - we shall see, but my concern is that this draft is about 8-10 deep in elite players. The difference between 12 and 22 is pretty negligible, and we actually have evidence for this: the Bengals traded down from 12 to 21 for hope-and-a-prayer player (Glenn, given his injuries). That tells you all you need to know about the depth of elite players in this draft. Taylor, who is limited, is a better player than McCarron.

I don't think I disagree with you all that much, but after 1990, has there been a qb drafted with a sub-60 percent completion rate in his final college year (besides Matt Ryan - 59.3) who turned out be an excellent thrower in the NFL? I don't mean the Vicks of the world. Incidentally, Kaepernick was 58.2 overall but 64.9 in their senior year. Carson Palmer was 59.1 but 63.2 in his senior year. Donovan McNabb was sub-60 but 62.5 in his senior year. I literally can't find anyone. To be fair, Favre was drafted in 1990, and he was 54.5 in his senior year. Since 2000 (with three minor exceptions given that they were all close to 60 percent), the decent-to-great ones were all above 60 percent in their final years and most significantly so: Alex Smith, Aaron Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Rivers, Dalton Eli Manning, Russell Wilson, Flacco, Cousins, Dak Prescott, Palmer, Derek Carr, Luck, Watson, Goff, Garrapolo, Bradford, Trubisky, Stafford, Newton, Brees, Foles, Winston, Wentz, Mariota, Bortles, and Tannehill. The three exceptions? Matt Ryan at 59.3, Tyrod Taylor at 59.7, and Jay Cutler at 59.1. That said, Cutler was 61.0 in his junior year, and Ryan was 61.6 and 62.1 in his two previous years (and 59.9 overall). For argument's sake, let's just make the cutoff 59.0. If Allen succeeded, he'd be the only one below the threshold, and 56.0 is *significantly* beneath it.

PS - re my response above. Note which state is in dead last place. https://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/8/23/12607342/recruits-states-rankings

My point is that it is harder to attract black players to a school like Wyoming. You are aware that nearly 60 percent of D1 football players are black, yes?

He also didn’t have to rack up td passes because he got them in scoring position and moreover they mostly had big leads except for the raiders game. They scored a pretty decent number of points in all but the jax game. And he delivered late v jax and oakland. He was in partly responsible for that 4-0 run. He was quite bad afterward, and clearly played scared. But 4 games isn’t a tiny sample size. And it’s not arguable that the hit he took from Wilson was absolutely freaking brutal. Anyone who argues against that is a friggin’ moron. It definitely affected his career. He was never going to be great, but he became a lot worse afterward because of timidity. Touche! My cat can only see things in black and white too of course ...

Oh come on. Don’t be an ideologue; it’s a tired pose. Life isn’t black and white.

He was actually quite good before the concussion that season. In the first four games, his rating was 93.5, he averaged 7.8 ypa, and his completion pct was 65.5. I knock out rookie seasons for qbs who come in only because the starter got injured. It wasn't like he was a top 5 pick. He was never a great qb, but saying he S U C K E D before the concussion is hyperbole that doesn't match anything close to reality. He played well in early 2008. He was quite bad afterward.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/giants-remain-intrigued-david-webb-nfl-draft-approaches-article-1.3847368 Also: 'One player I’m less certain about than I was at the start of the week after hearing Shurmur talk is Rosen. Shurmur, in praising Manning’s durability as a critical asset, mentioned this about players with injury histories: “I was just on the (ESPN) set with Bill Polian and he’s the one that told me, ‘Guys that get injured a lot continue to get injured a lot.’ Eli’s been durable ... That’s huge.” Shurmur didn’t apply this description to Rosen, but the UCLA QB has a concerning injury history.'

But he played very well in the two previous playoff games. The fact is, Gronk is basically uncoverable. He's the most dominant TE in league history, in my opinion.

Preach on!

As I have said elsewhere repeatedly, if people aren't factoring in where Allen played (the least populated state in the country that is in the middle of nowhere and has a black population of less than 1 percent) and the bad state of the program before he became starter, they aren't analyzing.