dave mcbride

Definitely seems like a process guy. As does Edmunds given his family's absolute dedication to football.

Context of play: it was 3rd and 10 and it's not like the bruins had an especially reliable kicker from long distance last year. They were down by 3 late in the game, and he was either trying to throw it out of bounds to save field position or expecting that his receiver at the top would read the blitz and cut off his route at the sticks (which is where he threw it). Either way, it's not as if he did the wrong thing. He got hit, and couldn't get enough oomph into it to get it out, and the receiver didn't adjust. It's not really what people are seeing, though. Rosen was great in that game and had the right idea there. The defense simply made a play, though - the blitzer timed it perfectly.

How is Rosen taking this now-essentially-confirmed news?

That's ridiculous by Gettleman.

Losman had a 31 (“engineer” level threshold) on the Wonderlic, so what you say above is incorrect.

I liked Webb!

This whole thread has turned into stage 5 of the Kubler-Ross model.

That's not the end of the story because he has been sub-mediocre the past few years. In three out of the past five seasons (including last season), he's been below average (with average being 100) in pretty much all of the key categories. He's had some good seasons over his career, yes, but he's not going to get any better and as a simple fact of the matter he's the worst qb in his own division.

I'm pretty confident that the Bills would have given up 12 and 22 in a heartbeat plus a second and a 3rd. They didn't want to give next year's first, as I understand it.

Because Manning could well fall off a cliff this season, and there are any number of examples of rookie qbs coming on strong and performing at an elite level right away: Luck, Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson. I'm a big believer in Darnold, and think that he may well be a better QB by the end of this season than Manning. And they'd have him the next dozen years assuming he pans out.

I think that's possible, but I also think they arguably have the worst QB in the division. I don't think Eli is terrible, but I think Smith, Wentz, and Prescott are all better than him right now.

You know, we wouldn't be having this conversation if we hadn't let the Jets beat us out for the #3 pick. It really does all go back to that, and I think Beane got owned. If he had the stones to pull that trade off, we'd all be celebrating over Darnold becoming a Bill. Oh well. As I said above, I'm going to roll with it and hope for the best.

If so, they could have radically improved their o-line via a trade with the Bills and gotten, say, Sony Michel (who I think is really good even though he might not last more than 5 years). Is Barkley really that good? Will he even be as good as Kamara or Hunt were last season? I doubt it, but we shall see. My one caveat relates to Davis Webb. If they really like him, then not drafting a QB is arguably OK. But I've never heard anyone in the new regime talk him up.

Read the comments following the PFT piece!

True, but Eli could fall of the cliff any day now. He might not, but it's certainly plausible. He is an OK qb now on his good days, and often pretty bad. I know the situation was bad last year, but still.

The only logical explanation for taking a RB over a QB in that situation -- i.e., getting the #2 pick in a great QB draft while currently relying on an aging, average QB -- is if they really believe in Davis Webb. They may. I thought he was good in college. But I've never gotten the sense that the Giants are big believers in him. If they aren't, what they did makes zero sense from a long-term franchise-building perspective. Sam Darnold is good, and he was right there for them.

I remember reading a piece years ago (which I wish I could find!) demonstrating that DEs often had their prime years between 29 and 33 because they had learned the tricks of the trade. Hughes was 100 times better than Lawson last season. He basically won the Atlanta game for Buffalo.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/27/giants-gm-analytics-saying-not-to-draft-a-running-back-are-nonsense-a-crock/ '“You know what I say about that. It is a crock. At the end of the day, a great player is a great player. He is a touchdown maker. He is a threat to take it to the house every time he gets his hands on the ball,” Gettleman said. “I think a lot of that stuff is nonsense. I think it is someone who had decided to get into the analytics of it and went through whatever. Jonathan Stewart is in his 10th year and he has not lost anything. I don’t believe in that. I don’t care who you take, they can all get hurt.”' His test case, Jonathan Stewart (selected 13th overall) is ... decidedly an average JAG: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/StewJo00.htm I can't believe the Giants didn't go QB.

Hughes had one of his best seasons last year.

Allen: 4.75 40. Mallett: 5.37 40. What a lazy comparison.

There are seven rounds and the Bills have 8 picks: 1 in the top ten of the first; 1 super-early 2nd rounder (so early it's in the mid first round!); 1 in the third, 1 in the fourth, 2 in the fifth, 1 in the sixth, and 1 in the seventh. They have a full complement of picks and then some.

He was really a first round pick because that actually matters for Favre was Green Bay. They traded the 19th overall pick for a guy who showed nothing in his rookie season.

Well, he did basically say that the 2013 QB class sucked. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000147694/article/mike-mayock-ej-manuel-secondbest-qb-in-nfl-draft. EJ was kinda like a one-eyed man in the kingdom of the blind.

Ryan Mallett comes to mind when I hear "great big Jethro QB" (great term!). Allen is by all accounts a good, mobile athlete, though: 4.75 40, which is REALLY good for someone that size. Mallett was 5.37!

As I've said elsewhere, he seems to have some of the traits of a narcissist.