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Which Coleman will be able to do. People aren’t talking enough about his ridiculous hands. Shakhir and Kincaid have good hands too. In fact, the last three receiving prospects they have drafted all have good hands. Something they prioritize, clearly.

Granted, I live in Brooklyn, so I’m biased, but I just discovered that Curtis Samuel went to Erasmus High School. Check out the graduates of Erasmus HS!!! Click on the “notable alumni” tab and scroll down: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erasmus_Hall_High_School

Curtis Samuel is a good receiver who has probably played with the worst set of QBs of any receiver in the league over his seven-year career.

There are a LOT of bad safeties and bad team safety situations in the NFL. The Eagles are another one. They were so desperate at the position that they traded for kevin byard mid-season (early 5th, early 6th, and terrell edmunds), although that was a failure and he’s no longer on the team. Let’s wait and see. Maybe the Bills thought their o-line room was pretty set. Do you think Kyle Dugger was a bad value pick? He was 37th overall.

I usually agree with you, but I just don’t see spending the 60th pick on a player the team thinks will be an elite safety is bad value. The Bills D in this era, for all of its flaws, has been REALLY good at preventing points and limiting yards, and that’s because their secondary, which is built as much around safeties as it is around corners, has been fantastic at preventing big plays. The safety play has been a crucial element of this, and if they think Bishop is someone who can come in quickly become field director out there, then the pick becomes a lot more understandable from a value perspective. Just look at a team like Washington: so, so many high picks spent on the d-line - and for good players too! - but they can’t stop anyone because their secondary is so goddamn bad. In particular, their safeties are horrible: Cameron Kurl (7th rounder) and Percy Butler (4th rounder). Then look at the Patriots. Yeah, they were bad last season because of their offense, but their defense remained excellent despite an incredible rash of injuries. The reason? Well, a big one was that their second round safety (Kyle Dugger) was one of the most impactful secondary players in the league and because Julius Peppers was a well-above average player last season. Their safeties, along with Christian Barmore, are what made that defense such a challenge to face. Anyway, I think you might want to rethink your valuation of safeties. They are not the defensive equivalent of RBs (LBs are); they’re more the equivalent, value-wise, of tight ends because like TEs, they have be effective in both the run and pass games. They also need to be smarter than the average defensive player, generally speaking (like TEs on the other side).

I said the following in another thread and this video seems to confirm my thinking: ”My new pet theory about why Josh wanted him so much: Allen has so many off-schedule, improvisational plays given his uncanny ability to escape the rush, and having a guy you can throw it to downfield after everything breaks down and expect that he’ll snag it over whatever DB is covering him is a huge asset to his game (and to the Bills’ offense). He has vice-like hands (watch the cover one analysis) and is incredible above the rim, so to speak.” Coleman talks at length about the scramble drill and the importance of being an absolute dog when the play breaks down. That is something the Bills really did NOT have (Davis was not good at it, and Diggs’ effort on such plays was clearly declining), so I can absolutely see Allen wanting a receiver who excels in that sort of situation. And let’s face it: when Josh Allen is the qb, the improvised, off-schedule play is one of the Bills’ most common plays.

Huh? The chiefs made the bills better, not the other way around. They were going to end up with worthy regardless and we were going to end up with coleman regardless, but the bills got a highly rated DT out of the trade that they otherwise wouldn’t have gotten.

My new pet theory about why Josh wanted him so much: Allen has so many off-schedule, improvisational plays given his uncanny ability to escape the rush, and having a guy you can throw it to downfield after everything breaks down and expect that he’ll snag it over whatever DB is covering him is a huge asset to his game (and to the Bills’ offense). He has vice-like hands (watch the cover one analysis) and is incredible above the rim, so to speak. He is also very shifty for his size, unlike all of the other comps being mentioned.

You really should watch the cover one link above. KC is nothing like those players beyond being tall. He is an INCREDIBLE athlete. As a number of people have said, you don’t make Tom Izzo’s team as a guard without being an elite athlete (leaping ability, strong hands, short area explosiveness, basketball moves). Kelvin Benjamin was never gonna make Michigan State’s basketball team. Devin Funchess literally played tight end his first two seasons at Michigan before transitioning to WR his final year there.

How are the bills getting a 4th for gabe davis when edmunds and his monster contract got them only a 4th? Davis’s 3 years / $39 million deal is really not that much, and given the Samuel signing (3/24), I honestly expect a 5th at best and maybe even a sixth.

Am I getting this right? For the low, low, low price (actual cost: zero) of flipping picks with Carolina, the Bills received a cheap and cost-controlled highly experienced center from the best team in the country who may well start from day one.

Smart trade down there. The 163-167 picks were for C, S, and three RBs. The Bills weren’t losing out on anyone.

You need a trade partner and if everyone else thinks this is a crappy day 3 pool, why trade down?

Bills just traded 163 to GB …

Fast, long arms, and … from Anchorage Alaska!

Supposedly in the vicinity of 150 or after, but given that every team evaluates differently there are probably 10-20 or so players in the Bills top 150 once they get to their late 5th rounders.

If they only got a 4th for the huge edmunds contract, how are they getting a 4th for 3 years/$39 million? I am assuming they get a fifth and maybe even a sixth because his contract will be offset somewhat by the 3 years/$24 million contract for Samuel. The more I think about it, I am assuming a 6th.

It’s the 128th pick in the draft. We’re pretty deep in at this point, and they did in fact need another RB.

No idea and google isn’t helping my search

Not sure if this was posted

I know this was posted much earlier, but he did run faster at his pro day:

The analysis you’re responding to isn’t really accurate and also doesn’t factor in the late-season context for FSU last season (terrible quarterback situation because of injury).

You are not factoring in that for his final three games, FSU did not have a functioning qb except at the very beginning of the north alabama game, when Jordan Travis went down early due to a leg injury that ended his season. He also had 5 catches for 86 yards and 2 tds vs Clemson.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10090935-keon-coleman-nfl-draft-2024-scouting-report-for-florida-state-wr This report says his comp is Allen Robinson, who also ran a 4.6. Robinson has had a couple of really big seasons: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/RobiAl02.htm

Just that he’s a really good athlete for one and also that there are short area-movement/quickness and leaping physical skills required to make a basketball team that is historically so good. Very few football players have them; otherwise they’d be on basketball teams. Basketball players are generally better all-around athletes than football players. A lot of people play football because they’re not good enough to make much smaller basketball teams; ask many receivers/corners and they’ll tell you basketball was their number one sport. Anyway, those skills point to a profile that is not remotely close to Kelvin Benjamin. To be fair, the long speed worries me too. But he clearly has some crazy acrobatic skills in tight spaces. A cut above.