dave mcbride

He played well in 2014 in backup duty, and it wasn't that long ago. So there is that! https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AndeDe00/gamelog/2014/

Au contraire. I thought Hughes was lights out last season. He had a ridiculous number of pressures.

Also, Jerry Hughes' 90.5 rating as a pass rusher makes him the third best pass rusher in the league according to their metric (behind Aaron Donald and Fletcher Cox).

I'm hardly an Anderson fan, but he did perform pretty well in sub duty in 2014: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaA.00/gamelog/2015/.

The thing is, maybe teams should cast a jaundiced eye in preseason toward QB play. Rob Johnson was a HOF preseason player. It is simply not the same because the scheming is vanilla, which matters supremely for judging the QB position. It's on the coaches to successfully assess that. McCarron is not great, but he has performed decently in real-game situations (https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McCaA.00/gamelog/2015/ ). He's a guy who can get you to 2-2 over a 4-game NFL stretch. Peterman is a guy with the yips who is simply terrible. Here were the other options. Most were probably better than Peterman: http://walterfootball.com/freeagents2018QB.php.

Yup, and Adam Wainwright is the cautionary tale of continuing to play with the partial tear. That said, Wainwright was lights out when he came back.

That times story is great. Here it is again: https://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/12/sports/baseball/debate-grows-over-how-to-protect-young-pitching-arms.html my son’s arm is fine and rest worked.

PS - rest does NOT fix a tear. The question is to risk it and keep playing. Fyi, my son (now a freshamn college pitcher) had a ucl sprain last fall (stretch, not tear) and his surgeon operates on yankee players. We got the lowdown about what tears mean.

Yup, worked for tanaka but not others. Kinda like microfractute surgery - platelet treatment is about 50-50 or slightly less, IIRC.

I don’t think curveballs are (see my link to the big ny times story on this earlier in the thread), but definitely agree about screwballs and to a lesser extent sliders.

Look, I’m no expert on qb elbow surgery and the necessity of it, but this season is a lost cause and he’s a long term investment. I make him right for the long term because that ligament in all likelihood will tear eventually.

Also, off-topic, but Didi —cr$p. My favorite player on that team.

Yeah, but see my post above about his off-the-charts velo. It was the ONLY reason he was drafted that high.

Yikes - i worry about this given Allen’s unque high velo (best ever in nfl history, most likely) skill set. I’d get the surgery with a planned august return, but perhaps I’m overworrying. That said, as @BADOLBILZ knows, these never heal. Ever. You just hope they don’t tear more.

I think the appropriate nomenclature is "lit."

The thing I go back to is that Allen is that rare guy whose rep is built mostly on having arguably the strongest arm in recent NFL history. Allen with a moderately weakened arm isn't a guy you draft in the first round at all. So he might be different than, say, a Philip Rivers type whose skillset isn't based on a rocket delivery ability. Just thinking out loud here. Hopefully Allen can avoid any surgery, but he's a bit of an outlier in the arm-strength-as-an-asset category. He may have the strongest NFL arm I've ever seen, although I know Elway had a huge arm. Jeff George and Favre too. (So did Brandon Weeden, but let's not mention him!) EDIT: This is just insane -- .http://www.stack.com/a/josh-allen-threw-a-66-14-mph-pass-at-the-senior-bowl-no-qb-at-the-nfl-combine-has-ever-exceeded-60 Also, check this out. https://www.ourlads.com/story/default/Quarterback-Ball-Velocity-at-NFL-Combine-2008-2017/10243/dh/ . Allen hit 62 at the combine. Fastest ever.

LOL!

The D numbers are truly great given the really bad start, but this offensive performance is criminal. Say what you will about talent etc., but when you're the second worst offense in the league GOING BACK TO 1986 (!!), management (front office and coaching) has seriously screwed up. No rebuilding year should ever be that dismal, especially in a year when points are being scored at a record pace.

Props to Bandit, who found this. This is promising: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1058274610002466 Methods The NFL Injury Surveillance System (NFLISS) was reviewed for any UCL injuries of the elbow in quarterbacks from 1994 to 2008, including the type and mechanism of injury, player demographics, method of treatment, and time to return to play. Results A total of 10 cases of UCL injuries in quarterbacks were identified starting in 1994. Nine cases were treated nonoperatively and the mean return to play was 26.4 days. Conclusion UCL injuries of the elbow are uncommon injuries in professional quarterbacks. This group of overhead athletes can be successfully treated nonoperatively, in contrast to baseball players, who more commonly need surgical reconstruction to return to competitive play. The difference between the 2 groups of overhead athletes is most likely secondary to biomechanics and demand.

Good to know. Excellent data, and it's quite promising! Still, we don't know the extent of the tear if there is one.

See my other posts. Who is saying this? The team? The agent? Some PR guy? Does the team have Andrews' diagnosis yet?

Also: Ulnar collateral ligament injury of the elbow is a sprain (tear) of one of the ligaments on the inner side of the elbow. ... Prognosis The UCL usually does not heal sufficiently on its own with non-operative treatment. To return to throwing, surgery is often necessary. http://www.csosortho.com/ulnar-collateral-ligament-sprain.html We just don't know what the prognosis is, and anyone claiming they do is full of it. The team may want him to play and the agent may want him to get the surgery. That's another factor.

No offense, but this hasn't been reported anywhere. We simply don't know yet. We hear that he has a sprain, but a sprain comes in different grades. Some require surgery.

Since I don't trust anyone from a team when they talk about injuries, it's worth posting this. Sprains mean different things depending on the grade. If there is an injury to the UCL it is often classified as a sprain. There are three grades of sprain: grade 1, 2 and 3. A grade 1 sprain means that the ligament is stretched but no tear is felt. A grade 2 sprain indicates the ligament is stretched and a partial tear could be present. A grade 3 sprain indicates there is a complete tear of the ligament. https://www.beaconortho.com/blog/ucl-injuries-elbow/

Yup, and discussed at some length on previous pages in this thread!