John Adams

I understand that many people priortize their lives such that they don't have that option. What I'm saying is that I'd home school before trusting the government to educate my daughter. When times have been tough, my wife and I debated selling our house and moving into a small apartment to keep the option. Other people have different priorities. If people choose to trust the government to raise their kids, that's what they do. Hopefully they live in a good district that appropriately thumbs its nose at its overseer.

I would live in a box before trusting my daughter to be educated by the whims of government.

Unreal that you would care this much about the chance of teaching such a non-topic while trusting your school systems to do who knows what day after day.

Fewer than you think around here interpret the Bible that literally.

You think there's something in California laws that currently prohibits the teaching about gay marriage in schools now? There's so much more to worry about in schools.

I have a 7 year old who I suppose was once 5. When she was 3-5, there were twin boys in her pre-school who had 2 dads. So we explained it all to her then. Somehow, nothing horrific happened. When she was 5 and 6, she had 2 different openly lesbian teachers. Again, somehow she lived. She has another friend with 2 moms. Let's see. She's boy crazy (in a 7year old way). She likes princesses. Soccer. Not sure she's done a gay connect-the-dots but if she did, I'm pretty sure she could handle it. So what could she pick up in 10 minutes? Same sex people can marry. Big whup. Your kid can already pick that up already--and more--in school.

You complained about the wording before but did you read Prop 8? Here's the wording. The school crap you and LA are talking about was a lot of smoke puffed up by the people oppposed and you guys bought right into it. Even if it was true, you decided that you'd deny the right to marriage to people because you don't want your kid to hear about gay marriage...when there's nothing stopping your kids from hearing about it regardless of Prop 8? Good clear reasoning.

It's weak because it's not based on reason. That some churches opposed it is no shock: their opposition is not based on reason but on a few sentences in a book written by a few guys 2000 years ago.

What is this crap about the natural law?

So you have almost no choice as to what your kid hears for 160 days at a public school but on the issue of whether there is some possibility that they will hear about gay marriage for 10 minutes (which could happen whether or not you voted for Prop 8 BTW), you take this stand that has further reaching consequences than your kids...who certainly aren't going to be stunned by the news of same sex marriage? Clear as mud.

But it's not their property, and the "they" you are talking about are only some Churches that don't recognize homosexual marriages. Wherever marriage got its roots, it's now a civil term as well (you can get married by Elvis for god's sake). Again, weak.

Don't be a nitwit. You're smarter than this. If your above "case" could be made, divorced Catholics would be suing the Church every day to force them to sanction marriages. Churches are under no obligation to sanction any marriage they don't want to. Jesus H.

So you voted not to prohibit gay people frmo marrying (here's the text). And the reason is because your kids could be taught about homosexual marriage in public schools, where they are already taguht about hetero marriage? By the way, if you fell for the tactic that a "No" vote on Prop 8 meant that schools would teach about homosexual marriage to your kids, shame on you. You fell for a baseless scare tactic set to snare your bigotry hook, line, and sinker. And even if your kids did hear about same sex marriage at school, who cares? You don't think they're hearing about worse things from their teachers? How insane. So because gays now can't marry in California, your kids are safe from ____(?)___. You have an alarmingly narrow-minded set of values if you deprived people of the right to marry just because there was a chance of kids hearing about same sex marriages. Someone said this is a fight over the word marriage because homosexuals can be civilly united and get the same rights. If the rights are the same, why create a different legal word. Answer: there is a legal difference. Once the terms are different, the rights start to differ. If it's "just" a word, it should apply equally to marriages between men-men, women-women, and men-women. Who gives a hit? Except a whole lot of people who care about how adults contract their love with one another.

Has he not been president for the last 8 years? Is not the president largely in charge of foreign relations? I know, I know. Constitution shmonstitution. Still, W looked deep into Putin's eyes and found love or whatever. I'm sure that checked Putin's aggression! Hahaha.

Nice of Bush to leave things in such good order for Obama.

Utterly amazing how stupid people are. Similar measures passed in other states too. How can anyone care so much about calling a marriage between same sex people marriage that they would deny it to them? It's not the end of the world. It's not a huge issue. But it bothers me that so many people are eager to go on record as bigots on an issue that doesn't affect them AT ALL.

That is a stunning post. Hope that went a ways to changing the way you think.

I refuse to touch your keyboard after that post.

Your best post ever.

Yes--that's in the minds of a lot of people. That a black man won adds a lot of gas to some frightening people's fires.

Whenever any party is in power too long, they get crushed by the oposition. Why? They both do a bad job. Reagan/Bush begat Clinton. Clinton begat Bush. Bush begat Obama. And on it goes.

When I posted that, the CNN map had Fairfax and those counties near it at about 50%. Actually, just checked again. CNN still has Fairfax at 52% but Obama's overall VA lead is now 30K votes. If I was Obama, I'd get a good night's sleep at this point. McCain too. Been a long campaign. This one is waaaaaay over.

VA and FL will go to Obama. Only a few hick counties in VA haven't reported yet and the big urban precincts are only half-reported. The race is tight now but Obama will extend that lead to a victory. Same exact thing is happening in FL. Obama has a bigger lead there but all the McCain districts are almost 100% reported and all the Obama districts are only like 25-20%. What a thumpin'. I wonder if McCain will win Arizona?

It's a thumping. FL will go blue. Va too. The oly issue is whether the Senate will be filibuster-proof or not.

I can call Alabama for the Republican candidate in 2016 right now.