John Adams

The problem was that Fowler was hurt (and sucking) so Preston seemed better at center. Whatever. This line ain't coming together this year. I just hope Trent makes it through the rest of the season and keeps showing growth despite having zero running game.

Peters is the Bills best lineman, which is like being the tallest Lilliputian. Still, you can't bench him.

I can't believe no one brought this up during the election. (Unreal.)

I have a college-aged Obamamaniac relative. He's been talking about this community service initiative with me. Obama in speeches has made it clear that it's tied to college assistance.

Reread my post. It's a big issue for homosexual couples with kids. They were just told--resoundingly--that they are not entitled to marry, after previously being told they could. In fact, millions of people sent that message into their home: YOU ARE NOT WORTHY OF BEING MARRIED. Gay couples, of course, would discuss this with their kids. Not easily, but they do. Why? Because (at least for the people posting here) people can't handle their kids hearing about gay marriage in schools alongside straight marriage. Yep. That's the reason. OK. Now I'm out. Just wanted to close those loops. Have fun.

You draw me back in. The law that was drafted is NOT to allow gay marriage; it's to ban it. People in CA voted to define marriage as between a man and woman. That's it. End of story. The law said sh-- about schools. But because people in here would rather not explain gay marriage to their kids (or have the schools do it PERHAPS--oh the horror), a lot of gay couples are now explaining to their kids that their so-called friends--people like LA, Jon from Hemet, Eryn--forbid them from marrying. All I know is that for my homosexual friends, that is not an easy thing to do--to tell your kids that your friends don't view you as equal. Again, I compare it to black parents explaining to their kids why they can't drink from water fountains. It's what they had to do but it wasn't easy. It's always been about discrimination and pain. What else would banning gay marriage be about? It's others who keep bringing up schools.

To your first point, I am guessing you meant some curriculum requirement (not law) but if there is, and schools have to mention that marriage can be between same sex partners, who cares? They already hear about a lot of other crap in school. This is just more. To your second point (that I'm being an unyielding prick), no kidding. Not on this round but when it came through PA, I had close friends who raise families who were really hurt by this. Not in a gay pride have a parade way. But in a quiet tears in the eyes "How am I supposed to explain this sort of discrimination to my kids" sort of way. Once upon a time, blacks had to explain why they couldn't drink from water fountains to their kids. Two couple friends (one women, the other men) had to explain to their kids that they still couldn't be married. One couple is Christian--so the very word means more to them. The other is not--but it still means something to them that they are unequal under law. And that's a sh------- thing to have to explain to your kids. And that's what the Cali people did. So I'll be unyielding. I've sat out at least 5 gay marriage threads in the last few years. I've more than made up for it here but I'm done.

That. Was. Not. In. The. Law. Loophole. Teachers can already teach it. Third Base.

Are your arguments against gay marriage in the "unnatural" vein? Or are they because it's against the Bible? I can't remember. Been a while since we tread that ground.

CA already allows gay marriage. Apparently what people on this board want is a law specifying something about prohibiting teaching gay marriage in schools. Is there a similar law about teaching hetero marriage? No. Is there a law about teaching about dating? No. Is there a law about teaching jacking off? No. Why? Not every goddamn thing in the world needs a law. Teachers can already teach about gay marriage.

I read the one post I responded to. I thought you were implying something about same sex people marrying to take advantage of benefits. If I misinterpreted, I don't care. You're crayonz.

I have ignored you. Post under your real name if you want to be taken seriously. This argument is as reta...dumb as a hamster post. Straight people don't seem to abuse marriage this way. Why would gays somehow be more prone to do it? You're probably smarter as crayonz.

I hate stupid closeminded people. Unfortunately, that's a choice. When they make that particular brand of hate illegal, I'll be serving a life sentence.

westside is. As did (maybe the big man). Ignore this part if you want, but you know that the reason this went down isn't because nonreligious people opposed it--it's because religious people were enraged by it.

THEY DON'T NEED PROP 8 TO TEACH GAY MARRIAGE NOW YOU NINNY! No teacher even needs a loophole that currently doesn't even exist. The worst thing that happens to a teacher who mentions gay marriage in your kids school is that a few parents complain. And a few parents laud him. And your kids don't give a sh--. And life goes on. But because you voted yes on Prop 8, lots of gays still are discriminated against for no good reason.

I didn't vote for Obama, who for the record, is on your side with this issue. And yes, the sooner you people would die, the better. (In jest) (kind of)

What does men having sex with men have to do with rationality? I don't arrive at my desire to sleep with women by some reasoned process. Somehow, the literalist Bible folk live by the Bible when it's convenient and ignore it when it's not.

The law is about 15 words long. It never mentions schools. The school thing is a giant smokescreen set up by the bill's opponents so people could jump on and be against the bill.

I bashed religion because I'm critical of people who interpret the Bible literally? If so, so be it. People who interpret the Bible literally are not rational. They can't even explain their own inconsistencies.

That's childish. He's saying the same things I'm saying and I have kids. Argue with him as my proxy.

For now. Thankfully, younger voters will correct this wrong once the older ones die. Same thing is happening with racial issues.

You don't get to always make that decision unless you raise your kids in a bubble. Prop 8 was not about teaching something in the schools. That was some domino way down the line and there's nothing stopping schools from teaching it anyways. Telling adults in loving relationships that they can't marry is a lot worse than the mere chance a kid might hear about gay marriage in school.

Hell to pay if your kid hears about gay marriage at school? Get a grip. Why in the !@#$ would you care? Your kid will probably know what gay is long before you explain it to him. Back in the 70s, it was in regular use in my schools by age 8. Good chance that's crept lower by now. I kind of remember using fag when I was about 6, with a fair understanding about what it meant. My daughter's 1st grade talked about gay marriage as an election issue over the last few months. Didn't seem to cause any sort of discord.

I understand. Without Prop 8, teachers can teach about gay marriage. So why harm all the people who get hurt by passing prop 8? Further, kids hear about sh-- in school all the time from teachers that parents would prefer not to be taught. That's life. Gay marriage might--stressing might yet again--be one of those things.

I posted prop 8 twice. It has nothing to do with schools. These two worry that something might--and I stress might--be taught to their kids. Something that schools can already teach. I have to explain things to my daughter all the time that I'd have chosen to explain later (intercourse comes to mind as does burglary and the need for us to be present when she's on the web). That's in the dad job description. As is--for me--teaching some measured acceptance. What harm comes to a kid who hears about gay marriage? How can you not be more worried about all the other sh-- that your kid's teachers actually teach daily than the chance that they might hear about gay marriage? If you voted down Prop 8 because your kids might hear about gay marriage, it's a dumb reason. Your kids will hear about it anyways, and a lot of other things, and Prop 8 has nothing to do with that.