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I can't pretend to know the way Dick Juaron coaches his players, but I agree with you. Our team and individual players seem to go backwards under the tutelage of Dick Juaron. Always coaching safe over aggresive. That's why it's acceptable to lose close games with Dick, he just doesn't want to get embarrased. And when they do get embarrased he comes out and says all the right things, and then his team comes out and looks exactly the same the following weak. He is an absolute joke for an NFL Head Coach. Just another guy that "impressed" Ralph Wilson w/ his interview. Here's a piece of advice for Ralph: how about you look at a guys career W-L record in the NFL, and not how much he sweet talks you in the interview.

What a dream scenario that would be. Holmgren as GM making all the personnel decisions, and Schottenheimer as Head Coach who knows how to turn around teams quickly. That would be awesome, only wish it could come true.

I have 6 season tickets in the rockpiles, which are more than likely not being renewed unless this regime is axed and a competent one is brought in. I have 4 other season tickets in section 113, that I've had for 7 seasons that I;ll probably keep. How many games I go to if Juaron is still coach is another question.

The hope still remains that Ralph hires the right GM, who then hires the right head coach. From there we're only a producing QB and a solid draft away from competing again.

And on two occassions we had wide receivers run 5 yard patters on 3rd & 7's. If you're going to drop back, block, and throw the ball downfield and accomplish all of it you should probably make sure that the route your running is past the first down marker. It's one thing if it's dumped off to a RB short of the sticks, but it's our receivers running the short routes and it looks like its by design.

LOL, maybe that would be a good place to start!

I know the board is going to be gloomy after a loss and I'll be accused of being way too down and harsh on this team, but this is a very fair question. What are the strengths of the Bills that we will be able to build around for the future? Offense Our QB situation is arguably (unarguably IMO) bottom 5 in the league. Trent Edwards is toast, Fitzy is probably an adequate backup at best and we have no one young being groomed behind them. You can argue Juaron and our offensive staff have ruined any chance of having a decent QB and you probably have point, but it is what it is until this regime is kicked to the curb. Our RB situation, which used to look like a strength is looking weaker and weaker everytime Marshawn Lynch touches the ball. His inabilty to pick up the 2nd and 1 run in the first quarter epitomizes everything Marshawn Lynch is and isn't as a running back. Freddy Jackson is a nice back, but as long as they're splitting carries no one is able to get in a good rythm and as a result the entire offense suffers. Today Slaton fumbled (big problem of his) what did Kubiak do, he benched him and went with the "better" back. You think Juaron has the stones to make a move like that? I'll admit I'm not an expert when it comes to offensive blocking schemes and evaluating the individual results of offensive lineman so I won't go into the O-line too much. With that said I think the two young guards have more than held their own this year, which has been nice. Other than that though things do not look too pretty. Pass protection has been below average at best as has the run blocking. TE's, I don't think I've seen a "good" TE on this team in the last 10 years. And by good I mean one that can block and consistently catch the football. WR's are tough to assess with all the other components of the offense pretty much sucking. I'm a big Lee Evans fan, but I don't think he has the physicality and the ability to make the tough catches across the middle to really be considered a premeire #1 wideout. Let's just hope the Bills find themselves a QB before Lee Evans loses his first step, because once his speed is gone he too will be gone. T.O. is here for this year only so there's really no reason to even comment on him looking forward. But I will say I think the guy was paid $6.5 million this season to make the tough redzone catches and fade passes that he has not been making this year. Tough catches, yes, I just thought he could still make them. Steve Johnson, Josh Reed, James Hardy, Roscoe Parrish............I'd like to see how they all played with a Colts uniform on, to get an honest assessment, but they don't so I'll have to say they're all not very good. Defense D-line is aging and not very good. Stroud is above average, but even he has had his struggles this year. Williams is alright, and the rest IMO absolutely suck. Schobel is alright, but he's been getting knicked up a lot recently and his age is really catching up with him. Kelsay and Denney alright I guess, but don't make many plays, & to this point Chris Ellis looks like he'll be out of the NFL in another year or 2. I'll reserve judgement on Maybin because he's still in year 1, but going forward there is not much to look forward to on the D-line. The LB's this year have been downright pitiful. The guys who supposedly are our "best" LB"s aren't very good when compared to other LB units. Kawika Mitchell is average and aging. Posluszny who many around here seem to love is slightly above average at best. He has tons of limitations, extremely tight hipped and slow in space, a liability in coverage, and did I say awfully slow? I saw the "my thoughts in no particular order" post today mention Pos had a good game today and I could not disagree more. He also rarely applies any pressure on the QB when he's asked to blitz, today I saw him get stonewalled by the Texans guards on a cosistent basis. Ellison is undersized and not great. Of all the backups I think I like Nic Harric best, but when you have to sign street FA's and have them starting the following week (Chris Draft) that tells you all you need to know about our depth. And I saved the best for last! Our secondary is just about the only unit on this team that I would say is top 10 in the league. I like McGee a lot. Rarely gets beat deep and is a sure tackler. McKelvin I'm not so hot on, but he's still young so we'll have to wait and see. Florence is playing decent as a nickel, and Corner who's still young looks so so. I think Whitner is overrated by Bills fans, but nonetheless he helps out a lot in the running game because he's a solid tackler. Byrd has been phenomenal and looks to be the ballhawk our secondary has been missing. Wilson and Scott provide great depth. Our secondary had Schaub a bit rattled early in todays' game. Then once the Texans made their adjustments and realized the Bills offense was a joke we lost the momemtum that our secondary gave us. Anyways, to summarize on a VERY LENGTHY post, there isn't much to build around on this team. The secondary looks solid and fairly youthful, which is great news! Other than that the future is simply bleek. This to me is the main reason our entire staff needs to be canned. And I mean everybody. The talent on the field isn't very good and the coaches seem to make the talent worse. The scariest part is, even if they are all canned, we're relying on Ralph Wilson to right the ship and make the proper hires. If the past is any indication of the future I don't have much faith in this team until someone not named Ralph Wilson is calling the shots at One Bills Drive.

And with Vince Young up next game perhaps Byrd will get his chance to break the record. Guy is really impressive. On a side note, the thought of Chris Johnson running through our swiss cheese defense is utterly frightening.

With the insane amount of injuries the Bills have endured over the last few seasons I've noticed many of them come @ home. There are a lot of other possibilities for the alarming number of injuries, but this field seems like bad luck. Even the opposing teams are blowing out their knees on it (Owen Daniels). Does anybody know if any other teams have the same exact surface as ours? I may recall Seattle having the same surface from the same provider, AstroPlay (now out of business), but I'm not sure if that's true. There is clearly something wrong with the mounting injuries, and I don't think it's just bad luck as it's now been happening for 3 seasons and counting. Would be interesting to see where our injuries the past 2 seasons rank against the norm of the NFL. Perhaps the team isn't properly strectched, perhaps the fact that Juaron runs a cupcake training camp and cupcake practices during the week. I'm not sure, but something needs to change. To regularly have 2, 3, 4 starters leave the game due to injury and not return week in and week out is not normal. Somehow though the Bills have accomplished this feat.

It was indeed a typo they are section 113, just edited. Ticket exchange is a pain and they also charge a markup on the sellers and buyers side. Thanks for the advice.

First off I apologize for posting this in the wrong spot, but I'm out of town and really need to sell my season tickets to the Texans game tomorrow. If you know a scalper who will buy them off of me, or you need tickets, or know someone who would want them please get in touch. 4 tickets together: Section 113, Row 6, Seats 19-22 (aisle seats) -30 yardline seats, 6 rows from the field! $49/each 6 tickets together: Section 201, Row 4, Seats 1-6 (aisle seats) - Lower Bowl, rockpiles $34/each As you can see I'm selling these tickets for VERY VERY CHEAP, well below face value. Good seats too! If you know anyone who'll take them get in touch ASAP, I will send them over via e-tickets immediately so you have them right away. Evan (518) 229-9248 P.S. - I'm willing to break down the sets into small sets of tickets if that's what you need.

Option 1: Leodis McKelvin Option 2: Jabari Greer and our 2008 1st Round pick on someone not named McKelvin. Which one do you take?

To those who say I'd take Florence over Greer anyday, I think all 32 GM's in the league would disagree with you. Greer is a much better CB than Florence is. Just compare the contract the Bills offered Greer (5 years - $20 million) and the one he signed with New Orleans (4 years - $23 million) and you'll see they far outweigh the contract Florence signed with the Bills (2 years - $6.6 million). Money is what talks in the NFL and that right there is proof that Florence is no where near Greer's level. Another point is yes you may be correct perhaps Greer was marginally replacable, but how about the thought of the Bills having resigned Greer and never drafting McKelvin in the first place. I like Greer a whole lot more that McKelvin and the contract for Greer would've been slightly cheaper than McKelvin's. There were a lot of other choices other than McKelvin that I'd much rather have on this team at this point. This has been one of the main reasons the Bills haven't sniffed the playoffs the last decade. You need to build your team through retaining your good players and continuing to add solid players in the draft. You simply can not let the majority of your solid free agents walk out the door only to replace them with high picks in the draft. At least we resigned McGee, if he walked I would've had major concerns, not that I don't already.

Interesting fact for this week: Every single home team, with the exception of the Bills is a favorite. I don't know that I've ever seen this, most the home teams just happen to be the better teams this week. Every home team is at least favored by 3 to 3.5 depending on what sportsbook you look at, with the exception of the Bills. If Andre Johnson is 100% I don't see how the Bills offense can match the Texans offense. With that said the Texans have been a hot and cold team this year, one week they look good the next not so good. Let's not forget they were leading the 49ers at home 21-0, they ended up winning 24-21. They were outscored 21-3 in the 2nd half, and that was at home. If they continue that trend in Buffalo we have a chance to get up on them. The other glimmer of hope for Bills fans is that the Texans thrive in the passing game more than anything else, and this is where our defense has been best. I've been watching Slaton closely this year (he's on my fantasy team) and he's not having as much success as his stats may lead you to believe. He has a low YPC average and goes down pretty easy. Where he is most dangerous is on the screens, so the Bills have to make sure they stop him before he gets a head of steam, because once he gets going he's one of the fastest in the NFL. What scares me the most is Owen Daniels vs. our LB's across the middle. Hopefully the coaches realize none of our LB's have a chance of covering him and use a nickel corner or safety to shadow him all day. If we leave him open across the middle be prepared for Schaub to convert many, many third downs. Getting off the field on third downs, while always important, is critical for us to have a chance to squeak out a win this week. Our defense has had some success versus the upper-echelon QB's this year (Tom Brady & Drew Brees), so I think they will keep Schaub in check. At that point it will be up to our offense to score 24 points to win the game. Do you think they can do that? I think so.....maybe.

Is it me or does he look a lot smaller than he has in previous year? He's always had a thinner frame, but this year his muscle development looks to be a lot less than his Cowboys/Eagles days. BTW his efforet on his run play around the corner on 3rd down was abysmal. Like others have said he clearly does not like contact and it's showing. My best guess is he's disgusted with this teams offense (no question the worst offense he's been on in his career) and realizes we have no shot at the playoffs, and as a result he does not want to get hurt so he's playing very cautious and tentaively.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/...y-isnt-serious/ He'll play, and probably very well.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8...mp;confirm=true I assumed he wasn't playing today, guess he injured the knee on the first series and didn't return. Hopefully nothing serious.

Classic!

Does this mean Kyle Williams is playing?

What doesn't make sense to me is the flights to and from London, if they were to get a team. For any west coast team traveling to London or vice versa you're looking at an 8 hour time difference and a 11-13 hour non-stop flight. It doesn't seem feasible for treams to have to travel that far to play on somewhat of a regular basis. I can already see having to compute British pounds into American dollars to find out who the top paid players are. I think it's best to keep football teams in America and just expand the amount of internationally played games. Much more practical. They're are 2 games now if you count Toronto and I think they are looking to do 8 neutral site games. Meaning every 4 years each team on average would play one international game, seems fair.

I watch college football a little here and there when there's a good game on. Nothing like the NFL, but enough to watch certain players and wonder where they'll stack up in the NFL. So the past few weeks the guy that has really caught my eye is Golden Tate, the WR from Notre Dame. I have to admit I don't know much about him other than what I've seen this season. His size looks a bit small by NFL standards, but his hands are unbelievably good. He also has a tendency to keep the ball away from his body when he catches it, which seems odd, but looks very impressive nonetheless. Is there anyone out there who knows where he stacks up as a pro prospect? With his strong hands it seems to me a team like the Bills, who play a lot of games in inclement weather would really value a receiver like that. If you haven't watched him play yet, check out ND"s future games, #23. He's a junior, I believe, but if he contines to play like what I've seen, he will be in next years' draft, especially if Clausen leaves.

No doubt, I was thinking the exact same thing myself earlier today. I don't know how to do a search either, but I bet you it would be the first time ever the same team has had the same losing record 4 straight seasons. It certainly would be a fitting accomplishment for Dick Juaron and define everything he is as a head coach. Let's just hope that 7-9 isn't enough to appease Ralph and force us to live with clear mediocrity for another year. I have the feeling that we get stuck with the same old if we do finish 7-9, especially if we win vs. the Colts (who will probably be sitting Manning in week 17). Let's not forget that our win in week 16 @ Denver last season, supposedly went a long way in Ralph's decision to retain Dick. If there is anything I have learned over the last 10 years being a Bills fan it's this; Ralph Wilson has no problem with losing and perennial mediocrity. Can you imagine successfully missing the playoffs 10 straight seasons in a league where the salary cap enables parity amongst all teams. Just to break that down, each team has a 6/16 chance of making the playoffs at the start of every season, which is a 37.5% chance. In other words, the Bills have somehow managed to steer clear of that 37.5% chance 10 consecutive times. This clearly shows there is something very wrong with the Bills front office, and mainly Ralph Wilson. His hirings/firings and total mismanagement of the team the past decade is frightening, and that is a whole other conversation.

I raised a similar point in response to another thread. There's no way the offense would look any worse under Turk that's for sure. I don't think anyone would disagree with the fact that are offense while not good looked a whole lot better in 2008. Receiver and Tight ends were set in motion and Edwards, believe it or not, was throwing the 10-20 yard passes across the middle. This year it's like Edwards doesn't even look to attack the middle of the field. Something has happened, and I think the Bills have realized their starting QB isn't really a "starting" QB so they have dumbed down the offense to a point of horror (from a fans standpoint). I actually don't have that much faith in Fitz, but I do think he will make our offense at least marginally better because he will throw the middle slants and the inside throws upfield to the TE's that Trent refused to look for. He also carries out the play action fake way better than Edwards and hopefully our coaching staff realizes this and runs them when the opportunities present themselves. At the very least Fitz will keep defenses guessing run or pass which will open up the run and pass game.

Owens basically said the same thing in his Wednesday press conference. Asked if teams are defending him differently this season Owens said (and I'm paraphrasing here) "No same coverages I've seen in the past, but in the past our offenses were able to move me around and do some things to get me open and make plays but this is a different offense and we don't do that." I think when it comes down to it our offensive coaching staff is just plain BAD. Not that I was a big fan of Schonert, but I think our offfense looked a hell of a lot better last year than it currently does this season. And one would think that the offense should've been better this season with the addition of Owens.

I'm still waiting to hear the status of Kyle Williams availability for this weekend. Without him our defense is in trouble, as McCargo and Spencer Johnson are both big downgrades. The upside is if Fitzpatrick starts he gives our offense a much much much better chance than if Edwards were in there, despite what some others on this board think. Fitzpatrick in my books is a below average QB with many limitations which is why he's a backup, but below average is way better than Trent Edwards so I'll take it. I think this game will probably be a very close one that is won in the 4th quarter. Field position will play a huge part as will penalties. If we can limit the penalties and play 2008 speacial teams I think we have a good chance at winning. Ultimately I see the Bills playing too conservative a style of offense, missing a lot of chances to take the lead (playing Dick ball) and losing by 4. BTW there is still no line up for the Bills Panthers game due to the fact that no one knows whos starting for the Bills. Based off of betting line trends though the Bills will come in right around +3, regardless of who starts.