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"It's tough to throw a football in this league"

Ok so here is NFL.com's play by play for the last 1:47 in the 1st half of today's contest. Timeout #1 by NE at 01:43. 1-1-BUF 1 (1:43) 12-T.Brady up the middle to BUF 1 for no gain (95-K.Williams, 99-M.Stroud). 2-1-BUF 1 (1:05) 39-L.Maroney left guard to BUF 1 for no gain (97-J.McCargo, 52-C.Draft). 3-1-BUF 1 (:28) 39-L.Maroney right guard for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. 3-S.Gostkowski extra point is GOOD, Center-47-J.Ingram, Holder-6-C.Hanson. NE 14 BUF 3 Plays: 8 Possession: 3:06 Buffalo Bills at 00:24 3-S.Gostkowski kicks 66 yards from NE 30 to BUF 4. 22-F.Jackson pushed ob at BUF 45 for 41 yards (3-S.Gostkowski). 1-10-BUF 45 (:13) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short left to 82-J.Reed pushed ob at NE 48 for 7 yards (24-J.Wilhite). Curl pattern, caught along sideline at NE 48. Timeout #2 by NE at 00:07. 2-3-NE 48 (:07) (Shotgun) 14-R.Fitzpatrick pass short middle to 82-J.Reed to NE 38 for 10 yards (51-J.Mayo). Caught at NE 40, slanting from right. Timeout #2 by BUF at 00:03. 1-10-NE 38 (:03) 9-R.Lindell 56 yard field goal is No Good, Wide Left, Center-65-G.Sanborn, Holder-8-B.Moorman. Does anyone see what is wrong with this picture before I elaborate? If the Bills (who had 2 timeouts at the time) take a timeout after Brady's rush with 1:43 they have roughly 1:35 seconds left. They then need to take their second timeout after Maroney's 2nd down rush, leaving them 1:30. On the very next play Maroney scores, so WE SHOULD HAVE had roughly 1:25 left on the clock. We all know what actually happened. The Bills don't use any of their timeouts, get a great return by Freddy, and try a 56 yard field goal as time expires. Granted the Bills offense probably would have squandered the opportunity, but the coaches at least have to give them a chance by understanding clock management. The clock management on this team has been and continues to befuddle anyone with half a brain. Yet another example of how a team successfully avoids the playoffs for an entire decade. Congratulations on 10 years of ineptitude Ralph. I don't know if it's even worth financially supporting a team that clearly does not take winning importantly. Did anyone else see Josh Reed smiling and laughing on the sidelines 5 minutes after his 4th down drop. Losing is not only acceptable it's expected under this management, and it all starts at the top.

when he went into half time with a time out in his pocket after letting the patriots run the clock down on the 1 yard line, that made my mind up. In the end it lead us toa 56 yrd FG attempt with no time left.

at least a foot here in atlantic county nj. Snowed in myself i moved my lowers for 29$ on stubhub

Leave a simple voice mail on his phone, or anyone that speaks directly to him explaining that perhaps he forgot about or misunderstood the fact that she has not been fully compensated for her back pay that she is owed by him for accrued overtime. i would list as many details as possible. "I hope this can be cleared up in a timely manner considering it is a small amount and easy fix, however, if required I will pursue being compensated through small claims court. thank you"

Any scenario where we end up with Rolando McLain and I'd be real happy. LB'ers are arguably our worst unit and McLain is a beast. Fast, Strong, NFL body, played against the best competition and excelled. I know our o-line stinks too, but the Bills talent evaluation regarding the offensive line has been questionable to say the least, so taking a top 10 tackle would make me nervous. If we were to clean house perhaps my perception would change, but we haven't cleaned house yet so I remain against drafting o-line high in the 1st round. We need to get tougher and stronger and McLain would be a big help to us. A true MLB, and would also allow Poz to shift outside where he would be a better fit. I'm not a fan of Poz as a MLB at all. He's much too slow to cover all the ground required so if drafting McLain improves Poz via a positional change.........all the better. I'm wondering how the draft gurus will grade out McLain. Does anyone know where they're pegging him to currently go in the 1st round? When it's all said and done I think he goes very high and I'd love to have a shot at him. BTW is he related to LaRon of the Ravens, I believe LaRon also attended Alabama?

I start putting stock into Mock Drafts once Nolan Nawrocki of ProFootballWeekly gets started. The first few are a bit of guessing, but as the draft approaches the guy is absolutely unbelievable with his picks. In fact last year I believe his final mock had 15/32 players going to the precise team he predicted. That's pretty unbelievable if you think about it, and much much better than anyone else in the business. Don't forget this guy has accurately predicted the Bills 1st round pick the previous 4 seasons (Maybin, McKelvin, Lynch, and yes even good ole Donte Whitner). For anyone who hasn't seen it before make sure you take a look at his final mock draft, usually put up on the website the morning of the draft. With the 1st round this year being on a Thursday? (I believe) it'll probably be posted that morning or afternoon. He also does a draft value chart where he slots players based on their value (1a-indicating top 10, 1b-indicating middle 10, 1-c-bottom 10 and so on). These charts are just as impressive as he is very precise and accurate. Take a look at his final mock draft and final draft value chart leading up to the 2009 draft and see for yourself!: Article on his unprecedented 2009 Mock draft!

I thought Peter was the guy who gave up the sack on the forward fumble by McNabb that no one picked up. I know the sack came off the right side. I could be wrong, but I think it was versus Peters. Remember a strip and fumble in the backfield counts as a sack.

Who won the Browns @ Bills game this year? You think we could beat the Steelers right now like the Browns did on Thursday night? Off of records alone you're right we're around the 7-9 league rank range. Based on what I see on the field on Sundays' I'll stand by my word, the Bills are a bottom 5 team in this league. Let me also add they don't have much to build on for the future (outside of their secondary and RB's they are bad everywhere else). Also, tack on their failing front office, poor coaching, and no real head coach and you can see why I'm not too optimistic.

After reading your posts week in and week out I would think the Bills are on the verge of greatness. Not that having some optimism in your team is wrong, in fact it's great, but I'm wondering when some realism will set in. We just squeaked past a team that is in my opinion the worst in the league. The Bills are a bottom 5 team in this league. They too are an utter mess. Their ineptitude will be on full display @ home vs. the Patriots next week. For anyone who needs some extra cash for the holiday season you can bet the Pats -6.5 (-120) right now. If it's not super windy that day and Brady can throw it, -6.5 is the lock of the season. If it's super windy the money line will be the play.

The Bills offense, if the weather is pretty cold and windy, would be lucky to score 20 points. Our defense holding the Colts under 20 seems like an impossibility, but weirder things have happened.

It's a possibility and something that crossed my mind today as well. 2 things: If the Saints are also 15-0 heading into Week 17, I think Saints @ Panthers is a serious consideration to get flexed. The Saints are the media-hype team this year, and Brees would probably draw a larger viewing audience. I also can't envision the Colts sitting their starters for the entire game vs. the Bills. I know Polian has made mention that he doesn't take any stock in finishing the season "strong", but how can you not want to be in the company of a couple of undefeated teams?

Awesome play. Bad teams make bad players. Good teams make good players. See the 2000-2009 Patriots vs. the 2000-2009 Bills.

That's smart. So seats that are normally prime seats in any other venue are useless at the Rogers Centre. Yet another reason the venue sucks. I still can't get over how crappy that venue was. I could still see the smoke (created by a few pyrotechnics pre game) during the 4th quarter. The whole place was so dark & dreary.

Ralph Wilson: "Committment to mediocrity" The past is the best indicator of the future folks. Ralph will get fans excited (Shanahan talk) maybe signing a big name FA with all the cap money we have because he only cares about filling the seats. Winning is no longer the priority in Buffalo and the blame should 100% be put on Ralph Wilson. Look at all of his football decisions this past decadeand it's no wonder we've been as bad as we have for as long as we have. What makes me most frustrated are the rumors of Ralph having final say on draft day decisions. The rumblings that he's been the one to have final say on particular players that were drafted is very frightening. Ralph's knowledge of the X's and O's of modern day football is non-existent. The evidence: the success of his teams since Polian leaves. This team is a mess and will continue to be a mess until Ralph isn't the one making the decisions, Thurman said it himself, and he's 100% right.

After attending the game Thursday night I will say this: The worst sports venue I've ever attended. Dark, dreary, uncomfortable seats, bad sight lines, bad acoustics. Tons of wasted space in the lower corners. They have the first ten rowns or so of the lower sidelines tarped off, which makes absokutely no sense. The atmosphere at the game was embarrasing. Some fans know what's going on, but most have no clue. At times I almost felt embarrased getgting loud and into the game, because most the people around me weren't even paying attention. The best was that many fans headed for the exits, just as the Jets were punting the ball to the Bills with 2+ minutes left in the 4th quarter. Either they were phsycic and knew Fitz would throw the pick to Revis, or didn't care enough to see a potentially game winning touchdown in the 4th. Overall though, this was the worst football game I've ever watched.

At this point, I don't think anyone can defend the fact that for a #8 pick Whitner is a HUGE dissapointment. He, at best, defines average and that may be giving him too much crediit. I think the same can be said for a number of our higher draft picks: Posluszny: Just see my many posts about him. The guy is not good. Average, nothing better. Lynch: Suspended. Out of shape, slow. Nothing close to what you expect out of a #12 pick. McCargo: Need I say anymore? Youboty: Injury plagued. A pick vs. the Eagles in the finale of the '07 season is about the only play I remember him making. McKelvin: Showes some promise, impressive KR. As a corner alone he's hot and cold. Once again, at this point not what you would have wanted out of a #11 pick. I'd take Clady over him anyday, and Peters was acting up at that point so no excuses that we already had Peters.......an organization has to look towards the future, something the Bills don't seem to do. James Hardy: Injury plagued. Madelittle contributions last year and none this year. Slow = easily covered, yet not physical enough to make the tough catches acroos the middle or athletic enough to make the circus catches down the sideline. Mike Mayock pegged Hardy down perfectly before the draft, and he wasn't very high on the guy. Chris Ellis: See McCargo. Let me add this guy was punk who had a bad attitude at VT and wasn't known to be a hardworker. Another DE who's a one-trick pony and way too small to play the postion the Bills drafted him to play. Aaron Maybin: This is way premature, I'll be the first to admit. DE's need time to develop in the NFL. He has potential to put heat on the QB, but at this point color me concerned. The fact that on 3rd and long the Bills still opt to go with Schobel and Kelsay does not give me a lot of confidence. I really hope he can develop under a new staff, cause we can not afford another swing and miss with a pick this high. Is there anyone else who sees things differently? Our drafting has been VERY BAD, all the more reason for a total house cleaning come January.

I don't know about the worst, but he's not very good, that's for sure. I watched him on 2 run plays wrap up thr ball carrier around the shoulders and get carried for an additional 2-3 yards. He needs to tackle lower and take out the feet of the ball carrier or come in with more force, because I'm tired of watching him get piggy backed down the field.

Lol, no bills season ticket holder. Just was wondering if it was nearby me so I could hang out around the hotel today and see if I saw any of them. Doesn't look like anybody really knows where they stay anyhow.

I traveled up to Toronto for the game this Thursday and was curious if anyone knows what hotel the Bills stayed at last year when they played up here? I'd assume they would probably stay at the same hotel. Searched for the answer online and didn't find anything......thanks.

Bills are a 2.5 point (+100) underdogs vs. the Jets. Or you can get them at +3 (-125) Surprised that the Bills are dogs in this game, expected it to be more like +1 or a pick. I'm thinking the oddsmakers don't see Toronto as true home field advantage, which is correct. If this game were in Buffalo, your probably looking at a pick. If we can contain the Jets running game, which I think we can I really like the Bills with the points. The Jets pass defense does concern me as they have a pretty nice secondary, but I think the bills can manage 20 points in this game, which should be enough.

A $5 million/season FB. No thanks. Take a paycut or take a hike.

Not much, how many teams would be desperate enough to take on a $5 million dollar contract on for a RB who isn't producing. I don't even know if a team would part with a 5th round pick for Lynch, they'd really have to be sold on the fact that he was bad as a result of being on the Bills and not vice versa. If his contract was cheaper he'd have some sort of value, but at his price I don't think many teams who want to take that risk. Maybe you get a sucker like Dan Snyder to trade a 3rd-4th rounder, but I think a 5th or 6th is more realistic. One thing for sure, you can't trade hime within the divsion.

Haha, exactly! I would also argue that Lynch epitomizes average as far as RB's are concerned. I saw one guy say Freddy's better at gaining yards when there is no hole, which probably means he'd be better when there actually is a hole right? The excuses used on this board to defend Lynch's lack of production every single week is comical. I would say someone who thinks Lynch can stay on board making about $5 million next season to see 3-7 touches a week (which is all he deserves) doesn't understand football very well. There will be backs the Bills could sign next offseason who would cost less and be more productive. If he'd be willing to take a pay cut and be paid like a backup fine, but to be paid like a starter and produce like he has is unacceptable. The Ricky Williams, Ronnie Brown comparison does not work because they are both very valuable backs, the same does not apply with the Bills. You don't see the Rams split carries with Steven Jackson and Samkon Gado because it happens to work for the Dolphins......just like you shouldn't see Freddy split with Lynch when the former is clearly better at nearly all phases of the game. Lynch is more of a name than a player these days. Forget his nicknames and his "cool" looking hair and watch his play on the field. It's not very good, it's actually pretty bad.

Well for starters, Dick was a moron. Never willing to ruffle the feathers and sit a starter even if it meant keeping a worse guy on the field. Why do you think the players loved him so much? There was no accountability, players didn't even have to produce and were still able to hang onto their starting positions with the Bills. How would you like to go to work, stink it up continually and have your boss say "it's alright just keep working hard." ?Sounds like an easy gig to me.