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No, I hope they burn in hell. My point is a hate crime shouldn't determined by what group it is committed against. I would consider any murder or boming of someone hateful enough, without having to elevated its seriousness because it effects a perceived persecuted minority So why doesn't the left ever consider the actions of the Islamo-facists for what they truly are, the ultimate form of hate crime. Instead we get "am am an american" commercials, like our citizens are the ones taught since birth to hate other religions. Hell, most schools in the U.S. won't even let the children celebrate Christmas, because it might offend 2% of the students.

Really, I don't remember seeing "I am an American" commercials featuring misunderstood, violent rednecks after the Matthew Shepherd murder, or the dragging death in Texas. And I don't recall the Red Cross taking money that was supposed to to aid the families of those victims, and spending it on "sensitivity" classes so people better understand the murderers' culture. Miss that I guess.

I love limos myself. My points is that the hollywood in-crowd always champions the cause of "neo- socialism", talking about about how evil republicans don't take care of the poor, and how we need to pay more taxes, blah blah. Well, time to put your money were you mouth is. Instead of making 20 million on you next picture, why not just take $50,000 and give the rest to the Red Cross or something? Maybe you don't see that getting taxed at 40% hurts more when you make $90,000 compared to $45 million. But hey, we are just the little people. Remember Babs and her "10 suggestions to conserve energy in california"? Well, she didn't do any of the steps she her self outlined. Another example, the group from hollywood that made the commercial that declared if you drive an SUV, you are supporting terrorists. Like limos and private planes get better gas mileage? And they protest Bush for "human rights abuses" but don't say anything when somebody has their head cut off because they aren't a muslim. They want to get to the root of terrorism, thinking it is a reaction to poverty, or injustices they have suffered. You never ask why some drunks rednecks beat and kill a guy just because he is gay. You just want them to be punished. Should be the same with terrorists, I reckon.

OK, so now the blabber mouth, limousine riding hollywood crowd are an persecuted, ethnic minority? There is group that needs someone to stand up for them! Ha ha ha, that is too funny. I guess you can only have a negative view on white, heterosexual, Judeo-Christian males. Then it is socially acceptable. Happy (don't you dare mention christmas) holiday season to you!!.

Wow, very impressive, some people signed a petition. That will get the problem solved, for sure. Funny, I didn't see Michael Moore or The Dixie Chicks on that list. No, I am looking for some of the same passion that these rocket scientists show: http://digitaljohnny.cementhorizon.com/arc...q%20protest.JPG

Why does it always have the be the U.S? If we do something, we are war-mongers building an empire. If we don't, it must be because we only care about oil. Why doesn't the U.N. do something, or are their troops too busy raping people themselves in the Congo? France, Germany, China, anybody care to do something???? Most of these 'Protest Groups' say they focus on human rights. I guess they only focus when it fits their agenda.

Home come you never see the hollywood crowd, euro-weenies, or the fulltime protesters of San Fran speak out about stuff like this? http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/africa/12/03...reut/index.html

No, it means that Spain will now move their people out...of Spain I guess. Worked in Iraq.

Typo. sorry. "He means" was what I trying to say. Any how, she is hot! http://www.veavea.com/_images/1711/patrici...terola.1711.jpg

No, her means Patricia Manterola http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005184/photogallery She is walking bottle of Viagra! Shwing!! Latino heeeeeeeeeeeat!

I agree. Close second: Patricia Manterola http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005184/photogallery

At least his paying for them. See Shaun Kemp.....

Thanks! How about "Close to the Edge" by Yes for a close second. "how old will I be, before I come of age...for you? I get up, I get down."

You got that right? Dylan couldn't carry a note in hand bag. Genesis pre 1980 rules!

Not to be picky, but Supper's Ready was on Foxtrot, not Nursery Crime. Nursery Crime had the Musical Box

"Supper's Ready" (all twenty + minutes of it) Genesis with Peter Gabriel

HELLO MOTTO!

Hey, White rappers suck too. Maybe we should ask you the question "Do you play an instrument?"

Thanks! Hey, if any finds it in Quicktime, could you post the link here? Windows Media sucks the big one.

I think there is something positive we can all take away from this incident. Notice how people of all races, black, white, and hispanic, were united together by throwing objects at the Pacers. We have found something that can bring all the races together: Common hatred for another city's sports team!!

TRAIL OF TERROR The Terrorist Motel The I-40 connection between Zacarias Moussaoui and Mohamed Atta By Jim Crogan LA Weekly WHAT HAPPENED AT THE NONDESCRIPT ROADSIDE motel outside Oklahoma City was just a fleeting encounter during the twisted cross-country odyssey of the terrorists who would carry out the September 11 attacks. Mohamed Atta, alleged leader of the plot, and two companions wanted to rent a room, but couldn't get the deal they wanted, so they left. It was an incident of no particular importance, except for one thing. The owner of the motel remembers Atta being in the company of Zacarias Moussaoui, the so-called "20th hijacker," who was arrested prior to September 11 and now faces conspiracy charges in connection with the terror assaults. If this recollection is correct, the entire incident, and its absence from the public record, raises new questions about the FBI investigation of Moussaoui and even the 1995 destruction of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City. Already the FBI has endured a withering political and media critique for failing to aggressively investigate Moussaoui and his contacts during his four weeks in custody prior to the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Some FBI officials have responded by characterizing Moussaoui as only a minor player. But the report from the motel owner, if proven, could change that. And it also could force the FBI to reopen its investigation of Middle Eastern connections to the 1995 Oklahoma City blast, because convicted bombers Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols reportedly stayed at the same motel, interacting with a group of Iraqis during the weeks before the bombing.

"When the full stories of these two incidents (1993 WTC Center bombing and 1995 Oklahoma City bombing) are finally told, those who permitted the investigations to stop short will owe big explanations to these two brave women (Middle East expert Laurie Mylroie and journalist Jayna Davis). And the nation will owe them a debt of gratitude." - Former CIA Director James Woolsey, http://www.jaynadavis.com/story090502-wsj1.html

MUSLIM ON-GOING CONFLICTS IN THE WORLD AFGHANISTAN: The war in Afghanistan is ongoing. Since Soviet troops withdrew, various Afghan groups have tried to eliminate their rivals. Although the Taliban strengthened their position in 1998 they have not achieved their final objective. Afghanistan harbours Osama bin Ladin, a wealthy Saudi Arabia dissident responsible for terrorist acts around the world. On 11 September 2001 members from bin Ladin's el Qaeda group highjacked 4 passenger jets in the USA, crashing one into the Pentagon and 2 into the World Trade Center, killing more than 2,000 citizens. The USA and its allies declared war on terrorism and counter-attacked, removing the Taliban from power. The war on terrorism and the el Qaeda continues. ALGERIA: Armed Islamic groups formed and since 1992 have carried out attacks on key economic points, security forces, officials and foreigners. In 1995 Algeria's first multiparty presidential elections were held and the incumbent president Liamine Zeroual won 60% of the votes in a poll with a 75% turnout. The first multiparty legislative elections were held in June 1997 which were won by the National Democratic Rally, which holds the majority of seats along with the FLN. Although the armed wing of the FIS declared a ceasefire in October 1997, an extremist splinter group, the Islamic Armed Group (GIA), continued attacks. There is also evidence that many attacks are carried out by militias backed by the Algerian security forces. After years of civil strife, Amnesty International estimates that around 80,000 people have died The Caucasus and Russia: The Central Asian republics have a long history of conflicts. Fighting breaks out regularly between warlords and religious groups calling for the establishment of Islamic states outside the Russian Federation. Russia is trying to hold on to the federation because the Caucasus is a vital supply route for the oil riches of the Caspian and Black Sea. With the break-up of the Soviet Union various groups fought for control in the republics. Conflicts from one republic spills over to the other and they continually blame each other for attacks. Chechnya, still part of Russia, was flung in an almost full-scale war in 1994-96 and, after a disastrous campaign, Russia was forced to re-evaluate its involvement in the area. In August 1999 Russia stepped up security in the Caucasus region as rebels from within Dagestan - a small republic where more than 100 languages are spoken - went on the attack in support of Chechnyan Muslim groups who claim independence from Russia. In September 1999 Russia launched a ground invasion into the area to cut rebels off from Central Asian supply routes. By January 2000 Russia was once again involved in a full scale conflict in Chechnya. The Caucasus issue is complicated by the more than 50 different ethnic groups each insisting to proclaim their religious convictions on the area. The situation holds serious danger for neighbouring countries, Kazakhstan, Georgia and Russia itself. EYGPT: Fundamentalist Muslim rebels seek to topple the secular Egyptian government. At least 1,200 people have perished since the beginning of the rebellion. The conflict was primarily waged as an urban guerrilla/terrorist war. The opposition Muslim Brotherhood took part in elections in 2000, indicating that they felt armed force would not work. INDONESIA: The struggle on the Indonesia islands is complicated by leaders of pro- and anti-independence movements, and by religious conflicts. More than 500 churches have been burned down or damaged by Muslims over the past six years. Both the Christians and Muslims blame each other for the violence and attempts at reconciliation made little progress. After a bloody struggle East Timor gained independence in 1999. The hostilities on other islands continue to claim dozens of lives, to such an extent that the break-up of Indonesia seem imminent. INDIA/PAKISTAN: Muslim separatists in the Indian section declared a holy war against the mostly-Hindu India and started attacks in 1989, mainly from Pakistan-occupied section of Kashmir, and from Pakistan and Afghanistan. The conflict continues, with Pakistan also crushing rebellions with brute force in their section. IRAQ: Supports Islamic terrorist acts around the world. Differing culture and religious groups within Iraq continues to clash with Shiite Muslims. ISRAEL: Within its own borders, Israel continues to battle various Muslim organizations that seek independence for a Palestine state, areas made up of the Gaza strip, West.Bank, and part of Jerusalem. There is heavy international pressure on Israel to recognise a Palestinian state. The area of what today is Palestine was settled by Semitic tribes at a very early date. It was then called Canaan, and controlled by Canaanite tribes for more than 1,000 years. In about 1500 BC Hebrew, or Jewish, tribes began to enter the area. They later came into conflict with a people of Greek origin known as the Philistines. It is from them that the term Palestine is derived. IRAN: After the Iranian Revolution in 1979 toppled the government of the Shah, the Mujahadeen Khalq soon began a bloody guerrilla war against the new Islamic government. The Mujahadeen are currently based in Iraq and conduct cross-border raids into Iran, as well as conducting urban guerrilla operations in the cities and conducting political assassinations. Iran occasionally launches raids against Khalq bases in Iraq. KOSOVO: The ethnic Albanian KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) in this Serbian province fought a guerilla war against Serbia to claim the region. Beginning in February 1999, Albanians were forced out of the province, prompting NATO to attack Serbia. By July 1999 Serb troops were forced out of Kosovo, only to open an avenue for Albanian Kosovars to attack Serb Kosovars. The Albanian Muslims have since burned down dozens of centuries-old Christian churches. In an effort to establish a Greater Albania, Albanian Muslim rebels also launched attacks in Macedonia. NIGERIA: There are violent religious clashes in the city of Kaduna in northern Nigeria beginning February 21 2004 and have continued. Kaduna is the second largest city in the north. The clashes followed a march by tens of thousands of Christians to protest the proposal to introduce Muslim sharia law as the criminal code throughout Kaduna state. Reports speak of rival armed gangs of Christians and Muslims roving the streets. Churches and mosques have been put to the torch. Corpses were seen lying in the streets and people's bodies hanging out of cars and buses, apparently killed while attempting to flee the violence. Local human rights workers said that more than 400 had been killed as a result of the clashes. SUDAN: The largest country in Africa, has been plagued by a succession of unstable civilian and military governments since it gained independence in 1956 from an Anglo-Egyptian condominium. The long-running conflict continues between the Arab Muslim northerners of Sudan, (the base of the government), and the African Christians of the south. In the mid-90s Sudan was home to Osama bin Ladin, the international terrorist responsible for the World Trade Center attack. It is estimated that more than 1,2 million people have been killed in the Sudan war, brining devastation to the Sudanese economy. PHILIPPINES: The Phillipines armed forces, with assistance of US troops, are fighting Moslem rebels - they have been linked to Osama bin Laden's el Qaeda terrorist group - on the southern islands of the country. Muslim rebel groups seek autonomy/independence from the mostly Christian Philippines. One rebel group, the Abu Sayaf Group, is believed linked to Osama bin-Laden's Al-Qaida.

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