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Reports say up to 11 militants from foreign countries were among the dead....

you mean like this? hot off the newswire: At least 27 people have been killed in two suspected suicide bombings in Afghanistan, according to news reports. In the worst attack in the border town of Spin Boldak, as many as 22 were killed and another 20 wounded when attacker drove a motorbike into a crowd watching a wrestling match in the town, Kandahar provincial Gov. Asadullah Khalid told The Associated Press.. What do they have against wrestling now? Should Vince be worried?

Hey now, the Jihad Johnnies thought Katrina was the Wrath of Allah, so I guess they can compete: http://www.news24.com/News24/World/Hurrica...1764830,00.html "Allahu akbar (God is greatest). Soldiers of God, Hurricane Katrina demolishes America. Don't think that God doesn't care about the injustices of tyrants."

I thought only Westbrook did that type of thing

Never said they all did. But to believe this a-hole is a lone wolf and nothing to worry about is stupid. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../ixnewstop.html

I'll start Tivoing the 700 hundred club and wait till I see them cutting off someone's head while chanting "Praise be to Jesus". That will be the signal.

Their back-up, Nick Goins (spelling?), is good too. Laster year head 1,100 yards rushing after starting for the team in week 5. Plus, don't forget about HE HATE ME on the roster as well.

There hasn't been a player that smallin size in the NFL who can totally take over a game by himself since our own beloved Thurman (in his prime). J. Peppers is almost as much of freak on the defense as Steve Smith is on offense. GO PANTHERS!

I heard these guys are roaming the scene looking for left overs: http://aliens.humlak.cz/aliens/Aliens_papi...ics/robocop.jpg

I think A.J. Smith wants Wade Phillips as the head coach. They wouldn'y have to do any other interviews, and they have a long history together. Plus, Wade has been on the radar of a couple other teams as well

Did you get to see the video of him preaching? It wasn't an empty house like the Cindy Sheehan book signing. Do you think all the people there were just resting their feet? I am not sure this Pat Robertson comparsion is totally valid. Pat says some stupid thing for sure, but I don't see many folks blowing up people to please him, like old Osma.

I believe the children are our future, Part 2: LONDON, England -- The jury in the trial of Abu Hamza al-Masri has heard recorded sermons of the Muslim cleric telling followers to "join the front line" in the fight against infidels and calling for children to be trained for a violent struggle. "You are a fighter, so when the time comes for fighting you can fight and if you want more reward in what you do, join the front line," Hamza told followers, urging them to target non-Muslims and that children should be prepared to act as holy warriors. The cleric said once a child reached 10 years old, they must get used to "sleeping rough, sleeping tough, going for training, sweating, getting a couple of punches in his face," AP said. Jurors were played a tape on Thursday in which the cleric said supporters should "bleed" their enemies and treat Britain like a toilet. http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/01/13...amza/index.html

I am pretty good friends with Mike McCarthy's little sister. She was there on the sidelines with him during the Joe Horn Cell Phone game. She said Jim Hasslet and him stayed with Joe Horn after the rest of the team had left, and the yelled at him for a straight hour. I think she said he was on the Packers staff during their last super bowl run, so he must have some good ties to Green Bay.

John "the nerd" Clayton just said on ESPN Radio there could be as many as 40 underclassmen coming out, many from USC. That is indeed a record. He also said it will help teams that pick in the middle to late first round, because good players will drop into their laps because of the sheer number of underclass entering. Maybe Da' Brick will slip to the Bills, or I would love Vernon Davis, the tight end for Maryland to sign with the Bills. What a weapon.

Let take it a step further, swamp goat. Most countries don't have government sanctioned religion that controls the state, True. You know the only ones that do? Bing. Bing. Bing. Islam. So what you have is not only violence against other religions, but other governments that currently count Muslims as part of their citizens. Why? Become they only believe in governments based on Islamic law. So you now have conflict and violence against governments for strictly religious reasons. For example: Bomb explosion in Thai south leaves two dead he attack, suspected to have been carried out by Muslim militants, came just hours after Thailand's queen appealed for peace. The attack came after Thailand's revered Queen Sirikit delivered a televised address late Saturday calling on the public to unite against the ongoing violence in the southernmost provinces -- the only Muslim-dominated areas of this largely Buddhist country.

I actually have a good friend from their who works as programmer in our company. He was shocked that during the Clinton administration that was absolutely no mention of the attacks on Churches, the bombings of Police stations, etc in our news media. Did the "Butcher of Bosnia" get way out of hand with his response, sure. But there was a lot of conflict that was anything but one sided before the US and the UN got involved. And it certainly to do us any favors with the Muslim world, even the U.S, and NATO essentially rescued them for certain doom. When Osama and his goons do their rants, they never mention it. Go figure. And that area has turned in to hot for guess who? Form "Al Qaeda in the Balkans: Who in the Balkans wants to destroy America?," by Miroljub Jevtic, Ph.D. The news that a group of mujahadeens headed for Osama bin Laden's jihad were captured on the border between Pakistan and Afghanistan would be nothing new, had the Pakistani authorities not announced that one of them was an Albanian citizen. Clearly, Clinton's cooperation with Balkan Islamists in the 1990s is only now turning like a boomerang against the US. While the official affront is that Bosnian Muslims and Albanians are American allies in the war on terror, the US forces are tied up in Bosnia monitoring and chasing the jihadists who have made Bosnia and Albanian inhabited areas in the Balkans their domicile. Overtly then, Balkan Muslims are supporting the West, while covertly they may seek destruction of it. The American strategists believed that by caving into territorial demands Balkan Muslims are making, the newly established Islamic entities will, because of the American influence and endorsement of it, be a model to the Islamic world, showing the right political path. The Christians of Bosnia, for example, are increasingly being centralized under Islamic authority; Christian Croats are spliced within Muslim federation and dominated by them while the Serbian entity is under tremendous political pressure and may disappear. Meanwhile, Bosnian Muslims want to offer Muslim Turks a dual citizenship because they consider these centuries old occupiers of Bosnia their liberators. In Macedonia, likewise, the real masters of the situation are the Muslims Albanians who have placed the Christian Slavs there into virtual political ghettos. Instead of showing themselves content with this, Balkan Muslims are not only setting out towards Islamizing their territories, but also towards actions aimed at America's destruction. Tradition has it that the most extreme Islamists among Slavic Muslims in the Balkans are from the Raska district, i.e. from Tutin, Novi Pazar and Rozaj so one is to expect extremist Imams to come from this region. Yet, the Islamic extremism and open attacks on the US that is spreading among the Balkan Muslims is preached by an Imam, who is not a native of Novi Pazar, nor of Sarajevo, but is an ethnic Albanian from village of Orahovac in Kosovo. This Imam, Bugari, is a hodja of the White mosque in Vratnik, known as the most Muslim part of Sarajevo. Ironically, the fiercest fighter of jihad has not turned up from the middle of Bosnia with its numerous Islamic top ranking religious schools, but from Albanian dominated Kosovo, busy teaching the Bosnians in the midst of Sarajevo what real Islam is. Says Bugari: "The speech of the sword is more sincere than that of the letter. Its blade lies between seriousness and jest. The whiteness of the sword, not the blackness of the letters, for its back knows no rust of doubt'. Continues he: "The status of Muslims cannot be improved by papers. This doesn't work. It is well known what can improve the status of Muslims worldwide. How was it improved at first? By taking Islam to all places. By convincing people that only God Allah exists." Bugari concludes with a call to violence: "By purifying the heart of all idols, and then, if necessary, by the jihad. And jihad was necessary and will be necessary! Don't think that we can survive in any other way, except by these three things: faith, economics and responding to Allah when the time for jihad comes". "[T]aking Islam to all places", including the US is the obligation of every Muslim, preaches Bugari. This Albanian Muslim Imam is also an avid anti-Semite. Says Bugari: "Americans rule the world, and so do the Jews. With the Americans' help, they have again outsmarted the entire world, especially the economy. We consume American-Jewish products every day. We drink their 'Coca-Cola' and their 'Pepsi', we use their banks, buy their weapons, their 'Nikes' and various other products. Imagine how many 'cokes' a billion and a half Muslims drink every day. According to some data, 700 million 'Coca-Colas' every day, and you know well that 10 percent of every 'Coca-Cola' goes to Israel".

This probably the funniest/saddest thing I have read all year. Even though it is only 5 days old. "Great and Thriving" would imply not being attacked by mobs or having you markets blow up because you have different religious view. And I am ignorant on the subject? Ever hear of East Timor? Did you know what a happened there? Do you know how it relates to the religous violence in Indonesian? Your great friggin example.Do you actually know or have any family members who the displeasure of living there? Or do you just base your information on MTV and Air America?

Bull crap. Here in the US, and in the UK, most of the prime time news programs are in debate format. Letting two sides talk about the issues. Large protests are often followed by counter-protests, like in Crawford Texas. If posting some thoughts on sports message board is over the top criticism, what do you consider burning the streets of Paris for two weeks or blowing up people on a Subway, or beheading a teacher because they dare to teach "shudders"....girls? KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- A school teacher has been found decapitated in Afghanistan, murdered by suspected Taliban militants protesting the education of girls. A spokesman for the provincial government said assailants apparently broke into the man's house Tuesday night and killed him. He was a teacher at a high school attended by both boys and girls. The education director of the province said insurgents have been putting up posters demanding that girls' schools be closed and threatening to kill teachers at schools that stay open. The official said, "Only the Taliban are against girls being educated."

Indonesia? Is that a joke? http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1587161,00050004.htm A bomb ripped through a crowded meat market in an Indonesian province that has been plagued by sectarian violence, killing at least 8 people on Saturday and wounding 45, officials said. Many of the victims were believed to be Christians. The attack occurred in the town of Palu as people were preparing for New Year's celebrations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/1955918.stm At least 12 people have been killed by a Muslim mob which attacked a Christian village in the Moluccan islands in eastern Indonesia. The violence then spread to the regional capital, Ambon city, where a bomb went off, and a centre for Christian and Muslim children and one of the city's main churches were set on fire http://www.ekklesia.co.uk/content/news_syn...0iattacks.shtml Christians and foreigners living in many parts of Indonesia, the world’s most populous Muslim nation, are increasingly fearful for their safety following the Bali bombings and a series of brutal religious attacks over the past few weeks. And this recent gem: Today, the decapitated bodies of three Christian schoolgirls, all aged in their teens, were discovered on a road leading to a school in Poso, Central Sulawesi. The Jakarta Post states that the girls are believed to have been walking to school when they were killed.

Did I say that? please point it out to me, i forgot. to sum up: 1) to the Islamic community, start looking inward instead of blaming the jews, christians, and hindus for all your problems 2) comparing the far right christian global movement to Islamic Jihad is like comparing a local house break-in criminal gang to Murder, Inc.

So which Muslim country has a great, thriving multi-religion society? The problem is Islam is considered not just religion, but as the basis for government and the sole guide for living. There is no separation of Church and State by its very definition. Thus, followers of other religions become second class citizens.

Well the original point of the post was to mock the "onward christians soliders" post on the board. Like a couple cooks wanting to fire bomb some clinic is the worst religious violence we have to fear in the world today. I don't think the right -to-lifer's are going to cause the stock market to shut down, the economy to tank, or ignite a regional war.

From the well know Right Wing Sounding Box, the Washington Times: "The Oct. 28 attack by Islamic militants on a Pakistani church that left 16 dead dramatizes the plight of Christians in Muslim-ruled countries, and according to several human rights organizations it's a dismal one. In many of those countries, Christians cannot openly practice their religion, nor attempt to convert others to it. Churches are not even allowed in Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, and in other Islamic countries there are severe restrictions on where they can build and to whom they can preach the Gospel. The religious freedom enjoyed by America's 1.8 million to 2 million Muslims - the numbers are in dispute, and some Muslim groups claim millions more - lets them construct mosques, set up their own nonprofit groups and evangelize for their religion. Protected by the First Amendment, radical Muslim groups have also freely operated and raised funds here. The U.S. State Department's annual religious freedom report, released Oct. 25, rates Islamic-ruled Afghanistan among the worst countries - along with Burma, China, Cuba, Laos, North Korea and Vietnam - in terms of religious freedom. Runners-up included Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Sudan, where leaving Islam for another religion is a capital offense. Turkmenistan, where four Baptists were tortured for having religious literature in their car, made the list, along with Uzbekistan. Nigeria, Indonesia and Sudan lead the world in actual death tolls of Christians, says Paul Marshall, senior fellow of the Center for Religious Freedom at Freedom House in the District. The number of Christians and animists who have perished in the Sudan is estimated at 2 million. In terms of Draconian government restrictions, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Turkmenistan are the most severe. Pakistan has "very bad laws," Mr. Marshall says, but "compared to these others, it's relatively open." Iran, which allowed the slaying of several prominent Christian pastors in the mid-1990s, has severe laws against Christians trying to evangelize Muslims. But outright persecution there has lessened a bit, he says, probably due to the influence of its reform-minded president Mohammed Khatami. Robert Finley, founder of Christian Aid, a missions organization in Charlottesville, Va., points to Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia as the most repressive countries. Iraq is the least hostile country in the Middle East toward Christians, he says, because its brand of Islam is more secularized than that of Saudi Arabia. "But Kuwait is very intolerant of Christians," he said. "They just don't allow them." The Kuwaiti constitution promises freedom of religion but does not address conversion. In 1996, the marriage of a Kuwaiti convert from Islam to Christianity was forcibly dissolved and his children taken from him before he underwent a much-publicized trial for apostasy. Shafeeq Ghabra of the Kuwait Information Office says his country has plenty of churches. "There are Catholics and non-Catholics," he said in an interview. "There are several important churches there. There are hundreds of thousands of Christians in Kuwait." Most of these are expatriates, he says, estimating that 5 percent of the Kuwaiti people themselves are Christians. Human Rights Watch cites Indonesia, the world's largest Muslim country, as a place where Christian villages have suffered repeated attacks from Muslim militias. Starting in 1999, the conflict has left more than 5,000 dead and at least 400,000 refugees on about a dozen islands in central Indonesia. Although the government "appealed for humanitarian aid for the hundreds of thousands of displaced people," it says in its 2001 World Report, "it also obstructed delivery of that aid." Steve Snyder, president of International Christian Concern in the District, has traveled to Indonesia and is trying to raise funds to rescue Christians trapped in villages surrounded by warriors belonging to Laskar Jihad, an Islamic group. "Laskar Jihad has been continually attacking Christian villages, murdering Christians and burning down their houses, businesses and church buildings for well over a year now," he said, "and the Indonesian government has seemingly been unable or unwilling to stop them." Punishment meted out to Christians from the Islamic militias has included a choice between conversion to Islam or death, he says. The conversions have included forced circumcisions of men, women and children. "Laskar Jihad trained in Afghanistan," Mr. Marshall says. "Their personnel have met with Osama's networks. They've got 5,000 people who've had some military training and they've been killing, converting or forcibly driving out all the Christians in the area." A spokesman for the Indonesian Embassy says his government is doing its best to stop the fighting. "We are promoting some measures to reconcile these groups, and we've installed our security forces to quell the violence," says Dino Djalal, head of the embassy's political section. "We've declared civil emergency in that area. Our navy has installed a blockade so the violence doesn't spread. We are sending troops there and taking care of the refugees." A Web site set up by Islamic warriors in Indonesia (www.laskarjihad.or.id) claims that Christians, backed by Jews, are the aggressors in central Indonesia. "The honor and existence of the ummah [Muslim community] must continually be defended in the midst of attacks by international Cross/Zionist activities," says a statement issued by Laskar Jihad. "As Muslims, we adamantly believe that a solution to the current problem ... involves a movement toward jihad." Egypt turns a deaf ear to complaints of discrimination against Christians, Mr. Marshall says, and the lives of Christians is equally grim in Nigeria, where Islamic law, or shariah, has been implemented in 12 states. Mr. Marshall, who visited the country in June, says 5,000 persons have died there and whole neighborhoods in the cities of Kaduna, Jos and Kano have been razed because of Muslim-Christian fighting. "On September 11, when Muslim groups took to the streets to celebrate the terrorist attacks on the United States, that rekindled violence," he says. "Some 300 to 400 people died in the two days since then.""

Fine, lets address Jordan. Jordan and Lebanon have the highest percentage of non-muslims of any country in the middle-east. Where there some protests in Jordan after they got bombed? Sure. But according to most reports, the crowds were in the hundreds, not like then tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands that take part in death to Israel, death to America rallies. Hell, a lot more showed to protest the French Head Gear ban. And WAAAY more turn up and got violent over a story about a Koran being mishandled, that later had to be retracted by Newsweek. That one resulted in the deaths of up to 20 people. I am not saying there is no hope for change in their community, BUT, this “playing the victim” hand is pathetic, when they are the own worst enemy. And nobody has a worst record of religious persecution of minorities than the Muslim countries in the middle east and Pacific like Iran, Syria, Egypt, Indonesia, etc.... So when so one tries to sue the state of Florida because they can’t cover their face in drivers license picture, because the believe their religious beliefs are being trounced on, please ask themselves who a person who moves to Saudi Arabia and tries to open a Christian book store would be treated. Anti-Terror rally in Jordan: http://members.tripod.com/aminstrel/4e9902c0.jpg Death to Jews Rally: http://images.ctv.ca/archives/CTVNews/img2...test_051028.jpg Anti US rally in Pakistan: http://www.newprophecy.net/anti-US_protest_in_Pakistan_2.jpg Who is having more fun?

Did you know that Christians in Muslim countries are not even allowed to pray or wear a small cross? If they do, they are thrown in prison and tortured. Do Muslims see this as oppression? Of course not, Christians have no rights. Christians are barely considered human, unlike Jews, whom Muslims consider to be monkeys. These Muslim Brits are protesting the killing in Iraq. Apparently, these particular Muslims are illiterate as well as deaf and blind. These Muslims that enjoy western freedom of speech in London must protest the Muslims being killed in Iraq. The only real problem is that many of those doing the killing in Iraq are from Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, and Yemen. The rest are bought-off Iraqi Muslims. The people being killed are indeed mostly Iraqi Muslims. Are they being killed by the Americans or the British? No! They are being killed by Muslims. There were nearly 100 Iraqis killed in just the last two days