you said..."Yes, during the time McCain was a POW, where he served his fellow prisoners admirably, but calling him a "leader of men" a opposed to Obama a community organizer in the Southside ghettos of Chicago is a stretch. "
Huge difference... Comparing a political community organizer who went home every night to his beautiful wife ... to a man who provided moral LEADERSHIP to his fellow POW's while under constant mental and physical torture is the true stretch...
I think you would be better off saying you made a mistake on this one and move on... I really dont think this is an argument you can win....
Carter was a joke for many more reasons.... I think you over generalize with your statements about "Flyboys"